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Need advice for a BP chicken load
Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:26pm
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Hey folks - BPCR Silhouette shooter here.  I've got a good load for pigs, turkeys, and rams, but I'd like to make up a chicken load. My normal slug is 500 grs and 1.325" long. I seat out to just engage the lands, which means I'm compressing the load (63 grs Swiss 1.5F BP) slightly. The new slug is only 300 grs,   and .785" long, and if I seat it out to the lands there's a lot more space in the case.  All but one of the grease grooves are exposed.   

So should I 1) seat it out the lands and use some kind of filler to take up the space, or 2) seat it much deeper in the case, compressing the load like I normally do, and jump to the lands? Will accuracy suffer if i jumps to the lands with a BP load?

Anyone have experience they can share?

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Re: Need advice for a BP chicken load
Reply #1 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 6:07am
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Generally, shouldn't shoot BP with any air-gap below the base of the bullet. Can stack wads if the gap isn't too big. Whichever way you load, shoot some groups with each configuration and see which is the most accurate at 200m and you'll have your answer on how to load.

Sounds like you are shooting either a 45cal or 44cal bullet. There are a couple of notable lighter-weight 'chicken bullets', but have never heard of anyone that is competitive with a 300gr 45cal bullet. The 45cal shooters I know all use 370gr and longer bullets. The Saeco 405gr Gov't bullet does a good job and any number of folks shoot it at chickens.
  

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Re: Need advice for a BP chicken load
Reply #2 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:17am
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I normally shot a 40/65 in BPCR silhouette but when I shoot my 45/70 I shoot the Lyman 457193 bullet with 65 grains of 1 1/2 Swiss. It is an older mold with larger grease grooves than the new ones today. I bought it on ebay some years ago. It shoots as well at 200 meters as my other bullets.

I doubt you'll get good enough accuracy out of that 300 grain bullet. You never know until you try. As Glenn said you can use wads to take up space in the case but NEVER place a wad down on the powder and leave an airspace between the wad and bullet. Completely fill the available space with wads.

The original 1873 trapdoor carbine load was 55 grains of black powder and the 405 gr round nose bullet. The cartridge was filled with wads to take up the space. It is a 140 year old idea that worked then.
  
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Re: Need advice for a BP chicken load
Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:03am
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I think the only way my chicken scores would improve is if I could make a shotgun load for 200 yards.  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Need advice for a BP chicken load
Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:35am
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So what is your gyroscopic stability factor for each bullet?

Caliber      0.458      Inches            
Bullet Weight      500      Grains            
Bullet Length      1.325      Inches            
Barrel Twist      20      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1200      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      2.24                  
                       
Caliber      0.458      Inches            
Bullet Weight      300      Grains            
Bullet Length      0.785      Inches            
Barrel Twist      20      Inches/turn            
muzzle velocity      1250      fps            
Temperature      50      degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard)            
Pressure      29.92      inches of mercury (29.92 is standard)            
                       
Sg =      5.47                  
                       
Sg shouldn't be less than 1.4 (not enough spin and bullets will tumble eventually).  If Sg is greater than about 2.0 you are overspinning the bullet; you may gain some accuracy by going to a slower twist barrel.      

Long distance shooters attempt to overspin their bullets slightly to compensate for drag over long distances (1000 Yards).                  
     
However with a 300 grain bullet you are grossly overspinning the bullet and may reduce your accuracy shooting chickens even though you have flattened the trajectory or reduced recoil.
  
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Re: Need advice for a BP chicken load
Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:24pm
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Ok thanks everyone for your input - I need to do some testing and see what (if anything) works.  I promise not to leave an air gap with the black powder.  I've got lots of cornmeal around....
  
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