FYI JL, I do know Rick, I shot with him twice in Modesto and we have corisponded since then.

I do know, that Rick WOULD NOT shoot a 15 or 16 twist rifle after shooting his RKS 11.5 or 12 twist barrel with the 1.29 long PJ spitzer bullet.

His scores far exceed yours, not to mention that my scores also exceed yours. Plus, I just won the 100 yd, 4, five shot CBA match in Roseberg against all comers, including 3 CBA record holders.

I didn't demean you, I just told you to stop preaching to me about what to do with MY equipment, especially since my best scores are better than yours , with the excepting of the 100 yd 5-5 group that you shot multiple times, 3 times in 3 months (not allowed by the rules for records) and I only shot it once, ever!

Tell us your best 5-5 at 200 yds, could it even come close to my 1993 scores?

Leave me alone JL, I won't have your self rightous, Redickulous self, preaching to me!!!!

Have a nice day,

Frank

Yea Yea Yea Frank we have heard the same old lying BS from you at least 50 times here already. You need get something more meaning full out of your life like improving on your 2016 242.6 200yd. club score average. Before you try to continue to drag any more down to the same low level as yourself so you can then become competitive.   

JLouis

CF generaly the one who starts it and then has the need to lie to try and make himself look better in front of others. In CBA competition they give out whats called screamer awards for small groups for both a 100 and 200yds. and quite an honor to come by. Frank has mentioned my lack of having shot any good groups and yet another lie as you can clearly see below and I would also like to see those of his that he holds in such high regard for himself as mentioned. Sad to say but he just cannot be trusted by what he has to say and or share not only about others but also himself for reasons unknown to probably most if not all here and not just myself. There is also no way to cheat groups are shot with moving backers but it would not surprise me in the least if he brought it up as being some how possible in his own twisted way of thinking he is the one  better than all the rest with his knowledge and ability. The criteria for a screamer award is set it is not based on the smallest group or groups shot in a single match and cannot be earned that way but based on how close it is to an existing national record. I was only able to compete here for nine years before the matches went away and the group matches were only held for the regional event and typicaly held just once a year.

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JLouis

Ken I could not agree more and such wise words should be spoken more often! 

JLouis

  I'm wondering if a faster twist, heavier bullet, and increased velocity with spitzer bullets doesn't also exacerbate the effect of "nose slump".

Catch box testing and its all ready been done exstensively by Barry Darr.

JLouis

I've never used a catch box, but wondering out loud how it catches a bullet and has no affect on the bullet? What media is in a catch box that doesn't distort the bullet's shape at all? 
I've fired bullets into snow and gotten what appeared to be near perfect slugs. But I always wondered if even then the snow didn't have some affect on the nose when the bullet impacted the snow?

JLouis wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:


John Louis,
At your request, so everyone CAN decide for themselves, this is the history of the 2013 5 - 5 shot group matches, at Modesto.

To qualify for the Bartlet Match: (5) 5 shot groups for average. You can ONLY shoot it for the record, ONE time a year. And you insisted that it stay that way AFTER you where listed as the record holder. I didn't know it was a once a year record, until you insisted that it was, or I would have said something at that time. I did point it out when you insisted that it could only be shot once a year.

Match records show that you shot it and posted the results at least 5 times in 2013, Between 4-13 and 10-13, the year that you shot that .3882 average, that you turned in for the record! I could not find match results for 3-13, 5-13 or 9-13. There are no match results for Modesto for 5-13. You may have shot it in 9-13 and not turned in your target.

I didn't file a protest then and I don't intend to do that now BUT, the rules are clear, it can ONLY be shot once a year, to qualify for the Bartlet record. You shot it like a re-entry match. Your 4-13 match (maybe even a 3-13 match, if you shot it, that month), was the only time that you  qualified to set the record in 2013.

That is the facts and the history of 2013's Modesto 5 - 5 shot group record! You can't change it.

Your average for the 5 matches was .5276.

Frank