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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Smokeless 38-55 loads Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	Anyone work up a 38-55 load using smokeless for a strong action? SS

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4494 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #1 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	To use for what purpose?


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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1309 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #2 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Small to medium deer at ranges to 200 yds.

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18105 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #3 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	Don't have to push a .380" 255 gr. bullet very hard to drop deer at 200 yds. or less. My smokeless loads with that bullet are only 1350 fps and have taken bucks out to 150 yds. with ease, in a weak old Ballard or 1881 Marlin lever gun. 18.0 grs. of 2400 works well in several of my old guns. Also 10.0 grs. of Unique does a good job with the 255 gr. bullet. 2400 can be worked up hotter in a strong action, so just need to gradually work up depending on your gun.

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jy3855 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 368 Location: California Joined: Jul 13^th, 2015	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #4 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	If it's a strong action like a Ruger No. 1 or 3, use .375 Win data. What action are you using? Are you contemplating cast bullet or jacketed? In my C.Sharps Arms High Wall I've loaded the 220 grain Hornady bullet over 33 grains of IMR 3031 - a fairly mild load for a 375 Win, and 38 grains of RL7 in my Ruger No. 3 in 375 Win. For a Lyman 265 grain cast gas checked bullet, I've loaded it over 34 grains of 3031. In my 375 Win No. 3 I've loaded a Lyman 366408 paper patched up to .375 over 37 grains of RL7 and 35 grains of 3031. I'd say, depending on your action, load stout 38-55 loads or 375 Win loads from published data. But Vall makes a good point - with these big bullets, you don't need 2,000 fps to get good killing power - only reason for speed is flatter trajectory.


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Bulseyetom Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1029 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #5 - Jun 9^th, 2017 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	I use both H4198 and IMR 3031 to get around 1700 using 255gr jacketed bullets. It kills as good today as it did in 1890! Rifle is a 94 Winchester.


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craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2060 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #6 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:09pm: Don't have to push a .380" 255 gr. bullet very hard to drop deer at 200 yds. or less. My smokeless loads with that bullet are only 1350 fps and have taken bucks out to 150 yds. with ease.... I'd agree with this thought. I'm pretty sure that Black Hills 'cowboy' 38-55 would easily be enough to take deer with a bit less velocity. It's not a half bad option if someone were stuck, unable to cast and load for a rifle that they didn't want to run run higher velocity jacketed rounds through. I also think having Unique powder around is a pretty good idea.


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1151 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #7 - Jun 10^th, 2017 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	I've been using 21.0 grains of 4198 with the Lyman 375449 in a rebarreled Winchester 1894. That mould is a dual cavity and I had one side reamed out for a plain base bullet; left the other for gas checks. Gas checked bullets are about 265 grains with 15":1 alloy and it does great on deer. I've never bothered to chronograph the load. Both bullets (GC & PB) shoot just fine with no leading. George Salmon, Idaho


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #8 - Jun 12^th, 2017 at 6:03am	Print Post
	jy3855 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 4:23pm: But Vall makes a good point - with these big bullets, you don't need 2,000 fps to get good killing power - only reason for speed is flatter trajectory. As Craig Boddington in a recent article reiterated, any load that gets you 1000ft-# of energy on the target (not at the muzzle) is adequate for deer. Most any on-line ballistic calculator will give you the answer.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7675 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #9 - Jun 12^th, 2017 at 10:33am	Print Post
	[/quote] As Craig Boddington in a recent article reiterated, any load that gets you 1000ft-# of energy on the target (not at the muzzle) is adequate for deer. Most any on-line ballistic calculator will give you the answer. [/quote] I guess that leaves PB 32/40 loads out. I wonder how they ever took animals with it back in the day. Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18105 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #10 - Jun 12^th, 2017 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Jun 12^th, 2017 at 10:33am: As Craig Boddington in a recent article reiterated, any load that gets you 1000ft-# of energy on the target (not at the muzzle) is adequate for deer. Most any on-line ballistic calculator will give you the answer. [/quote] I guess that leaves PB 32/40 loads out. I wonder how they ever took animals with it back in the day. Frank [/quote] Leaves out a bunch of great calibers at 100 yds. Many have less than 1000 ft. lbs. energy at the muzzle, and even those that have over wont have it at 100 yds. I think the proof is in deer taken, and not ballistics formulas.

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #11 - Jun 12^th, 2017 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Yep. Some people shoot em with a .22LR. Just saying...............

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4494 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #12 - Jun 12^th, 2017 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	And some yahoo killed an elephant with a 22 just to prove it could be done. Thin skin low behind the front leg or something.


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Dusty Rhodes Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Joined: Apr 28^th, 2016	Re: Smokeless 38-55 loads Reply #13 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 2:43am	Print Post
	Here in Oz I use ADI 2207, (which is very close if not the same as 4198) at 23.0 grns. With a cast 265 grn bullet of 20:1 the chrony says about 1275 - 1300 fps.
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