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reloading Uberti High Wall 38/55 black powder
May 17th, 2017 at 5:21pm
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Greetings to everyone
I am Italian and I apologize for my language that will be full of mistakes.
I just joined this forum because I bought a nice Uberti High Wall rifle 38/55 with which I would like to shoot in black powder.
In Italy it is a little known and I find no one who can give me instructions to recharge the cartridges.
I would shoot at 100 and 200 meters because there are some polygons in my area with these distances.
I have the cases and dies but i do not know what bullets to use.
Can anybody give me some guidelines?
Thank you for now and greet everyone.
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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2017 at 5:46pm
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swiss  1.5 powder   42 grains.  lyman postel bullet  .380 diam.  compress  .125  and set overall length to have bullet just touch rifling.  art ruggiero  an italian american
  
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Reply #2 - May 17th, 2017 at 6:04pm
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Thanks Ruggiero, fast in response.
Now I'll have to see where to buy the mold.
Powder 1.5 in Italy I have never seen it, but there is the No. 2 that I use in a percussion rifle.
If I can not find the postell mold, what other bullet could i use?
What is your country of origin in Italy?
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Reply #3 - May 17th, 2017 at 6:05pm
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Art, what kind of accuracy do you get with that 335 grain bullet with the Uberti's relatively slow twist?
  
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2017 at 6:32pm
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hallo oneatatime
Maybe you mean that the bullet is too heavy?
  
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Reply #5 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:10pm
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Valerio,

I suggest that you slug your barrel (drive a soft lead ball, slightly larger than the groove diameter a couple of cm into the barrel with a wooden or plastic hammer and a short piece of dowel, then drive it back out and measure the biggest diameter across the groove impressions that stand up larger than the rifling land impressions. You can also slug the chamber end of the rifling to see if the bore is uniform from back to front.) to determine the groove diameter.  Use a bullet that is .001 to .002 inch ( .025 to .060 mm) larger in diameter than the groove diameter of your barrel.

If you are only shooting out to 200 meters, you could get away with a lighter bullet, say 250 grains, with a flat nose. One with a rounded nose will hold its velocity better, though.
  
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Reply #6 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:24pm
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Valerio, it was too heavy for my 18 twist Uberti. Accuracy and stability suffered. My Uberti slugs .379 so I use a bullet that casts .380 (9.65mm). The barrel follows SAAMI specifications for twist and groove. Let's see what Art says.
  
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Reply #7 - May 18th, 2017 at 11:01am
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the pedersolis are 12 twist,  it shoots 1.5 min o a at 200 yds  art
  
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Reply #8 - May 18th, 2017 at 11:28am
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welcome. coming to this forum is a very wise choice. you will find that the people here are very helpful and friendly. I hope that you enjoy your new rifle and have success with it.   Tim
  
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Reply #9 - May 18th, 2017 at 11:32am
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If I can not find the postell mold, what other bullet could i use?

Accurate Mold, 38-320E, clone of the Ideal 375166, in a 1:18 twist bore shooting black powder - 42gr 1.5Fg or FFg is accurate to 600 meters ...
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This is my Go-To bullet, 1:16 alloy in my Uberti HiWall
Paper target accuracy with vernier rear sight & globe front: 100and200yds ... both less than MOA
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Reply #10 - May 18th, 2017 at 5:28pm
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I'm really happy to be in this forum.
You are very kind and thank you all for the suggestions you are giving me. Smiley
Here in italy I do not find molds for this caliber so I have to order them in your country.
Unfortunately not all armories can ship to Italy so I have to find the mold first I would like to buy and then the armory that will send it to me.
I understand that the 375166 is great for medium / long distances.
To shoot at 100 meters what do you suggest and how to recharge my cartridges?
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Reply #11 - May 19th, 2017 at 8:28am
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valerio - It is my understanding that Accurate Molds will ship internationally.  Send them an email - 
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And yes the 375166 bullet is accurate at 100 - 200 - 300 - 400 and 500 meters using 42gr of black powder.  If you for some reason don't want this mold, go to the website and pick a 38-55 mold that you would desire.  There are many designs and weights
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Re: reloading Uberti High Wall 38/55 black powder
Reply #12 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:45am
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Valero,

Here is some some general advice.

Your gun is probably going to handle 245 gr bullets best. 

With black powder soft bullets will bump up to bore size making precise fit less important. Most Italian 38/55s are .380 so .379 billets will work fine. Cast about 1 part tin 25 parts pure lead. 

Lot of American advice is because of match rules and short firing time making clean shooting loads important. Clean shot to shot is very important but with lots of time you can wipe one damp patch one dry between shots.  If you don't wipe lot of effort is needed to produce clean shooting loads.

Use whatever Black Powder you can obtain. We are very opinionated one vs the other but if your options are limited any 2 f will work. 3 f too.

Fill the case by shaking it. Simply dropping it will settle as the cartridge is handled and can be inconsistent. I tap the side of the charged case half a dozen times with a small brass rod. 

Once fired size the cases as little as possible. I run my dies high only sizing the first 1/2 inch. Some don't size at all.

Once you get the gun shooting well tweak the load if you want, but get a starting point by staying simple.   

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Re: reloading Uberti High Wall 38/55 black powder
Reply #13 - May 21st, 2017 at 8:49pm
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My first foray into single-shot ASSRA shooting was a .38-55 Remington Rolling Block with an 18" twist barrel. I learned many things with this rifle. The rifle was built up from the military action with straight grip stock and Unertl mounts for an external adjustment scope. The trigger pull was 3.5 pounds, but crisp.

The first lesson was the tiring effects of recoil. I had access to molds up to 325 grains and these heavier bullets would belt you and tire you after a full day's match or practice session at the range. Shooting only to 200 yards, I went down the weight scale and settled on the 250 grain range of bullets. 

The SAECO #738 and a modified RCBS 375-250-FN mold with the gas-check shank removed shot the best. This was with both smokeless and black powder. Softer alloy and lubricant for black powder with wheel-weight alloy and Javelina NRA lubricant for smokeless were the choices. This rifle was a true learning experience and sharpened my interest in Schuetzen, but it was never competitive. (I now have a ..32-20 Stevens 44 1/2 which has far more potential.) 

I recommend you start in this weight range and then work the bullet weight up once you have gained knowledge and confidence in the rifle.   These rifles have the potential to be very accurate,but like all rifles, need time and experimenting with loads to find their true potential. 

The problem with the Rolling Block was the rifle would shoot well one day and "improved cylinder" the next day. The rifle was turned into a.45-70 Sporter and the .38-55 barrel was put on a Marlin 93 for elk hunting. The Marlin 93 was dependably accurate and accounted for several Idaho elk.
  

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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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I sent an email to Accurate Molds to ask if they were shipping to Italy but they did not even answer me.
I think they do not ship to Italy
  
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