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Another Stevens curiosity
May 11th, 2017 at 11:12pm
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I seem to be a magnet for weird.   I bought a Favorite barrel on-line last month, claimed to be .25 Stevens rimfire.   It's an early "94" style, with the two-diameter shank.  It has the four-flat quasi-octagon that I've seen on some Favorites. Five digit s/n 16232.  Has the two-line rollstamp with the 1894 patent date that we are all so familiar with.

Now the fun part.  It is NOT a .25 Stevens barrel.  Chamber mouth measures about .256".  Bore (what there is left of it) appears to be in the vicinity of .228".   Chamber depth seems to be about 1.1".  This all points to .22 Maynard, but that was a centerfire cartridge.   Barnes does not list any rimfire with those dimensions.

Ideas ?   A factory custom?  A 120 year old land-mine left by Stevens to confound 21st century collectors?  

Shame the seller had already sold the receiver and breechblock - that might have given a clue.  I asked. 
  

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Re: Another Stevens curiosity
Reply #1 - May 11th, 2017 at 11:28pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 11:12pm:


Shame the seller had already sold the receiver and breechblock - that might have given a clue.  I asked. 


I hate these FAHs who break up matched parts--and there are plenty of them.

But why did you want a .25RF anyway? 
  
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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2017 at 12:30am
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Because of the recent post here about how to make fresh .25 RF ammo out of .17 Winchester Super Magnum Rimfire.  I just love projects like that.  

Bought that particular barrel so I could make a switch-barrel starting with .22 Favorite that I have.
  

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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2017 at 10:12am
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I may have found a clue.  Jim Perkins, in "American Boys Rifles" mentions that the Favorite could be had on special order chambered for "22-7-45".   I have no inkling what the dimensions of that cartridge may have been.  But if that fits, I call upon all the gods to rain down hellfire on the man who broke the rifle up.  How many can there have been?   Cry
  

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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2017 at 12:26pm
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Isn't 22-7-45 another name for a .22 WRF?
  
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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2017 at 5:07pm
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waterman wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
Isn't 22-7-45 another name for a .22 WRF? 


That's it, and that's what it's called in Stevens catalogs.  Understandable that Stevens wouldn't wish to invoke the name of their great competitor, but there's also a woodcut of the cartridge labeled "W.R.F." that looks like it could have been copied from a WRA catalog!
  
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2017 at 9:40pm
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I am assuming that it is not marked which would be unsual for a factory barrel. I have a niced Favorite in .22 WRF with a pristine bore. I believe it is a 1915 but would have to dig it out to be sure. The .22 WRF Favorite is a hard one to find. The .22-7-45 rings a bell and I am thinking it was a centerfire and available in a Favorite Ladies Model but the memory is on the fuzzy side since surgery.
  
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:19pm
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No, no caliber markings on the barrel at all.  The exterior is almost pristine.  Could be a re-blue, but the underlying metal doesn't look at all like a caliber stamp has been polished off.   

I've got the same vague feeling about 22-7-45, that it was a tiny centerfire.   

The Ladies Model was offered chambered 22-15-45, according to my catalogs.   Tomorrow I'm going to get my borescope out to see if I can get more certainty on the chamber depth measurement.   Maybe I've got it wrong, and the thing is actually a 22-15-45.   

Meanwhile I'm wrestling with an ethical quandary: Do I go ahead and reline it to .25 Stevens as I originally intended, or do I preserve it as an historical artifact?   Undecided

  

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Re: Another Stevens curiosity
Reply #8 - May 12th, 2017 at 11:40pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 11:19pm:
I've got the same vague feeling about 22-7-45, that it was a tiny centerfire.  


Are you thinking off the .22-15-60?  But that's not it; the .22-7-45 is a rimfire, unless you disbelieve Stevens own description--p. 115 in #52.

As for your ethical quandary:  send whatever it is to "Forged in Fire," and challenge them to turn it into a Bowie knife!   


  
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Reply #9 - May 13th, 2017 at 1:34am
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OK, that answers that.  ( I don't have any cattledogs that are that new.)

Gotta be 22-15, and I measured the chamber depth wrong.  No way to do a cast, it's much too rough in there.

  

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Reply #10 - May 13th, 2017 at 3:17pm
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Borescope inspection not conclusive; except there's marks in near what might have been a throat that a clearly evidence that a drill bit has been in there.  Reckon it's a fools errand to try to figure out anything more.   I'll go for a reline and be happy.

  

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Reply #11 - May 14th, 2017 at 7:17pm
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IF the larger part of the shank measures 0.80 long by 0.690 diameter and the smaller part is 1.130 by 0.630 dia, and it has a 7 o'clock extractor notch , and the breech is recessed for the rim, and the serial number is on the bottom of the barrel, and up to 69,000 (the highest I have seen), and possibly has a boxed X at each end of the J Stevens address on the top flat of the barrel, it may be for an 1894 7 o'clock extractor Favorite.  If you reline, try 22 cal and wait for the rest of the gun to show up on ebay?

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Re: Another Stevens curiosity
Reply #12 - May 14th, 2017 at 7:59pm
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Correct on all counts.  

Do you have any hard info on when they abandoned the straight sequential numbering?  I haven't a clue, but assuming a start in 1894, 69,000 is a lot of production.  Are there 7 o'clock models that have the letter-number code?     

And at what point did they abandon the two-diameter shank? I have nothing in between my .32 RF one (s/n 56888) which has it, and a 1915, which doesn't.  Maybe at the same time that the central extractor came in?

I'm still going to line it for .25 Stevens.  I don't have one, and I'd like to have one with a perfect bore, to see how well the .25 can be made to shoot.  It fits up OK to a .22 action that I have. The .22 barrel from that one I will line back to .22.   

Having deleted evilBay from my life, I can't be looking for the rest of s/n 16232 anyway.
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Re: Another Stevens curiosity
Reply #13 - May 14th, 2017 at 9:07pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 14th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
\I'm still going to line it for .25 Stevens. 


Who has a .25 Stevens reamer?
  
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Reply #14 - May 14th, 2017 at 9:37pm
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CH4D lists one for rental.   If that doesn't prove out I'll have somebody grind me one.  Hang the expanse.  I want what I want.
  

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