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Reply #30 - May 10th, 2017 at 9:54am
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    When a bullet turns into the wind, gyroscopic forces also cause it to point downward with a wind from the left, and upward with a wind from the right -- given that the bbl has a RH twist.
    My observation was that all the tipping bullets seemed to be tipping in the SAME direction, and it seems to be too much to be accounted for by a side wind.  One would expect that a bullet going near the speed of sound would tip about 1 degree with a 10 mph wind.   It looks like I am getting a LOT more tipping than that.
     Franklin Mann made a lot of experiments with tipping bullets, but was not able to account for many of his observations, as the science of aerodynamics was completely unknown at that time.(ca 1900) He does give a scheme for measuring the amount of tipping from examination of the bullet holes. An excellent modern source on bullet behavior is Robert McCoy's "Modern Exterior Ballistics". (1998)

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Reply #31 - May 10th, 2017 at 11:12am
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Interestingly, only my .32-40's tip.  Everything else from 38's to .45's haven't shown any tipping from 200 to 1000.  My .32-40's almost always tip at 200m, but never at 100m.  It definitely varies with air density.  Hot summer days are best and cold winter days are worst.

Most of my bullets go subsonic by around 200, except my larger capacity .45's.

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Reply #32 - May 10th, 2017 at 12:07pm
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I think I'm going with Boats here. I sure don't know anything, and when I listen to too much I just get bogged down in stuff to wonder about. Just shoot 'em and be done with it. It's much more fun than making a problem out of something that never bothered me before. Carry on gents. Smiley
  
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Reply #33 - May 10th, 2017 at 1:12pm
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Let me clarify my uninformed opinion. Bullet that's stable super sonic wobbles when it drops below the sound barrier then stabilizes again sub sonic.  200 gr 32 caliber launched at our normal 1400 1450 fps just happens to do it at about 200 yards.  That's what I see on my targets sometimes, bumping the powder charge up a bit rounds out the holes.

I think Dr Mann addressed this in his book , will look tonight.   

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Reply #34 - May 11th, 2017 at 6:36am
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Yes Boats that is the belief that the bullet becomes unstable going subsonic and is susceptible to wind. As ballistics is an interesting part of shooting for me I have read up on it for a while, but I have not seen anything relating velocity, wind speed and degrees of tipping. Seems though there would be too many veritables to put a number on it.
  
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Reply #35 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:56pm
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My chrono showed the lowest SD and the target shows the best groups when they start to tip. I like it when the all destabilize to the same hole  Cool
  

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