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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: tipping bullets Reply #15 - May 9^th, 2017 at 12:01am	Print Post
	Really Joe that is the best you have to share after shooting extremely competitively all of those years. Makes one wonder if you actually have anything positive to share? JLouIs

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3822 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: tipping bullets Reply #16 - May 9^th, 2017 at 12:03am	Print Post
	Bob, If you would stop putting good scotch in your bullet lube they wouldn't get so tipsy. Jack

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P1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 98 Location: Bradford, Pa. Joined: May 14^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #17 - May 9^th, 2017 at 6:30am	Print Post
	We had a White-Crowned Sparow at the feeder last evening!


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3822 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: tipping bullets Reply #18 - May 9^th, 2017 at 8:16am	Print Post
	I am ready joe Going to a 600 yd BPC match at Paul Bunyan today. Heading out early Thursday for Tommys. I have just over 1000 bullets. No tippers in the batch! Jack

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18103 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: tipping bullets Reply #19 - May 9^th, 2017 at 9:33am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on May 8^th, 2017 at 11:30pm: Sorry Vall, I forgot already. Okay you can post now. Joe. Thanks Joe! Will forge ahead posting again!

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3995 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #20 - May 9^th, 2017 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Joe, I don't know what they serve at Subway, but I used to really like Billy Kilmer, he was sure tough. Hadda be, getting his ass drummed time and time again by the Cowboys. Jurgensen was fun to watch trying to waddle out of trouble too.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3995 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #21 - May 9^th, 2017 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	My scrub jays are back for the twentieth time. Sure sign spring is on its way.


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hepburnman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 402 Location: NJ Joined: Mar 22^nd, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #22 - May 9^th, 2017 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	If we are still interested in the original topic I've heard somewhere where a gyroscopically-stabilized bullet will turn its nose into the cross-wind. Therefore, some tipping, into a cross-wind, would be a normal reaction of a spinning bullet.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3995 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #23 - May 9^th, 2017 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	I'm still interested. Does is only head into a wind coming from before it? What does a sideways or tail wind do? Different, or what? By the way, the shot up backer does make holes that are harder to read. I've shot groups of the same load into different parts of the frame and seen that. Not square to the impact can do it too, if steep enough. I don't suffer much grief over a little oddball hole.


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1310 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: tipping bullets Reply #24 - May 9^th, 2017 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	As I recall from my ROTC training, a gyroscopically-stabilized rocket (unguided) will nose into the wind during it's powered flight but once the fuel is exhausted and in its ballistic trajectory (like a bullet) the rocket drifts with the wind. In other words, a projectile on a ballistic trajectory, such as a bullet, will not nose into the wind but will drift with it. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I, will jump in to clear up this point.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: tipping bullets Reply #25 - May 9^th, 2017 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	Totaly agree Randy but sometimes prior to the bullets dying off yet still being up to speed a Spitzer's nose will dig into the wind at times and will also be guided off the course of its true flight path. This is just simply based on my own long term personal experiances. But it is also not just another personal opinion it is something I have seen take place more than enough times to simply just convince myself. JLouis

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P1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 98 Location: Bradford, Pa. Joined: May 14^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #26 - May 10^th, 2017 at 7:02am	Print Post
	A few years back Precision Shooting had a good article on bullets nosing into the wind. Just as the slowing bullet tips down to follow the trajectory nose first a bullet will turn into a cross wind. This is caused by a depression forming on the Lee side of the shank and pulling it in that direction, particularly if the bullet is marginal on stabilization. Likewise an over spun bullet won't nose down as it slows and becomes more susceptible to the wind. Wind drift is something else.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7734 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: tipping bullets Reply #27 - May 10^th, 2017 at 7:23am	Print Post
	There is, What I hear, what I think and what I know. On tippers , I hear a lot, don't know anything, and think tipping at 200 with cast bullets is mostly due to going sub sonic at point of impact. Boats


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sharps4590 Full Member Offline Posts: 120 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: tipping bullets Reply #28 - May 10^th, 2017 at 7:41am	Print Post
	Dr. Fredrick Mann's book "The Bullets Flight", (I think that's right), covers tipping bullets to a considerable extent. IF you can find a copy then, if you can wade through it, it has some interesting opinions and theories.


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P1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 98 Location: Bradford, Pa. Joined: May 14^th, 2015	Re: tipping bullets Reply #29 - May 10^th, 2017 at 7:50am	Print Post
	I shoot in the Palma class in NRA long range and the idea is to keep that 155gr. bullet supper sonic all the way. Just going subsonic doesn't make a bullet tip, it becomes more susceptible to the wind in the trans-sonic area.


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