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40-82 smokeless?
Apr 26th, 2017 at 11:56am
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I’m close to completing an 1886 in 40-82.  John Taylor relined the barrel (TJ) to a 16-1 twist.  The barrel measures .408 inch.  I have three molds, BACO, Paul Jones, and Steve Brooks all in the 415gr to 435gr range.   I would like to use the rifle at Quigley so it needs to shoot out to 825 yards.  I have shot black power for years, but would like to shoot smokeless if I can get a load that works.  With the heaver bullets and faster twist where should I start?
  
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Re: 40-82 smokeless?
Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 8:47pm
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I used IMR 3031 for years in heavy hunting loads in my '86 45-70. Also have used IMR 4895 and Hodgdon's Varget. 

Reloader 7 has been working very accurately in full loads for my 38-55 and 45-70s-both in the neighborhood of 1750fps
Have not tried it yet in my 40s. But that would be a prime choice to try.
I did find an accurate load for my 40-72- 25 gr of 4759 
when I was fire forming brass.
Please note that the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook no 4
lists smokeless loads for the 40-70 Sharps Straight. That is
very close to the case capacity of your 40-82Win and the data should be a good starting point.
Powders listed such as 5744,4198, 3031, Re 7 and Varget
with bullets up to 420 gr
One thing, your bullet molds are probably all plain based.
You need to protect the base of the bullets with something
for all but light smokeless loads. I use 0.060 LDPE wads
under 210 gr Pl Base bullets for a load of 15 gr Unique for fire forming my 40-65 brass for my rebuilt orig Hi Wall.
BUT, with the 40-82's short neck, you cannot take a chance for a wad to drop off inside the case and away from the bullet base. 
Hope this all isn't confusing, and helps you along the way.
Interesting to me to report your results as I have another '86
pending a rebore or a 40 cal replacement barrel. Have considered a 40-65(40-2.1) with its long neck, and still allows for a bullet nose out further from the neck.
The 40-82 is a 40-2.4" and so to feed from the mag of the '86, you cannot have a long nose on the bullets.
Of course, you can load singly with longer nosed bullets
but they may not clear the chamber if you have to unload a chambered loaded round. May have to "slip" the extractor.
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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 8:54pm
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Oh, forgot to mention:
For your 16 twist barrel, I suggest staying with bullets no longer than about 1.325" for best stability out to the 800 yds
at the Q. A 1.375" 40 cal will be ok at 800 or so, but at the
edge of stability.
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Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 9:20pm
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Arnie, I just learned more about loading for mine than I have in all the time its been mine. 
It don't show up very often, that data for it.  Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 2:53am
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Steve Rhoades has proven that a 1.4 Money bullet will stabilize to 1000 yards in his 40/82 Silhouette chamber.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 10:55am
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Don't have any experience with the 40-82 in that heavy a projectile but here are some results from an RCBS 40-260 cast bullet sized to .406 in an antique 1886 original barrel:

IMR 4198  28.0 grains  1428 fps

H 4198     28.0           1510

IMR 4759  23.0           1425

AA 5744   27.2           1610

  

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Reply #6 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 11:00am
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Did Rhodes have a faster than 16 twist in that 40-82 Sil?
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Reply #7 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 1:07pm
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Nope shoots a 16 twist, 80 grains of Swiss.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2017 at 1:17pm
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I've got a lot of load data for heavier bullets.  Planning on the same thing with a 40-65.   PM me your email if you want what I have.
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:06am
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For those not familiar with the 40-82 "silhouette", it is the 45-90 case sized down to 40cal. Remains a straight-tapered case rather than the bottle-neck of the original 40-82. Steve Rhoades' reamer allows for sizing down 45-90 cases with no or minimal trimming. IIRC, there are two other similar cases. One is the Crossno 40-82 and the other is one from Shiloh. Don't know the specifics of these.
  

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Re: 40-82 smokeless?
Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 11:50am
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Buffalo Arms has 40-82 WCF cases from Jamison with the correct headstamp.
  

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