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Puffrider Newbie Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2017	Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Apr 23^rd, 2017 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Does reloading for a Miroku Winchester 1885 38-55 have any unique challenges compared to a 45-70? I just found one. I have heard a number of stories about chamber and brass problems with 38-55; are brass walls especially thin? I have also heard that it is a fine caliber.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	Should be perfectly fine. Nothing special about the brass. Don't recall whether it uses the 'standard' length brass or the long brass, but easily determined. Load it up with 45-47gr of 2F Swiss, a 0.060" wad and a 300-335gr bullet and you should be fine. My 28" long full-octagon barrel 'hunter' model was a 15" twist, so couldn't shoot a very long bullet. The 335gr Lyman is about as heavy as it will handle. Best shooting bullet in mine was the 325gr BACo Money bullet.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 873 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:42pm	Print Post
	If using Starline brass it is a good idea to anneal the necks before shooting but that goes any of Starline's brass.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	Send 'texasmac' on the ASSRA forum a PM whether the rifle is chambered for the 3.120 or 3.125 case. Starline has both lengths


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1827 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	Or do a chamber cast if you can. That will show the length, and also what freebore/leade dimensions are. beltfed/arnie


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4494 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:41pm	Print Post
	Being as it is new commercial production (and before Dick Trenk talked Pedersoli into making theirs the original "long" length) I would bet that this is what you will find: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	What would be your intended use if you were to buy it and it being the bigger question before one could actually provide you with an honest answer. JLouis

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ireload2 Full Member Offline Posts: 169 Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #7 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:41am	Print Post
	About some years ago Mike Venturino did a review and test of one of the Miroku 38-55. he reported a .377 groove diameter and excellent accuracy. Here is another thread about the rifles here on ASSRA. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Wincacher Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: New Mexico Joined: Feb 8^th, 2016	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #8 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	With regard to cartridge length, it was Winchester who created the problem/confusion. Since Miroku is now making Winchesters my guess is that they are producing the short chamber for 2.08 cartridges. Original 38-55's and modern made replicas are using the correct 2.18-9" camber dimensions. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 873 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #9 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	The chambers on all modern production rifles are cut SAAMI spec., the Mirukos easily chamber the long case.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #10 - Apr 26^th, 2017 at 7:59am	Print Post
	Quote: Send 'texasmac' on the ASSRA forum a PM whether the rifle is chambered for the 3.120 or 3.125 case. Starline has both lengths Wow!! Did not realize that Starline offered a 38-55 case over 3" in length. Am guessing you meant their 'short' 38-55 case at 2.08" or 'long' one at 2.125".

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4494 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #11 - Apr 26^th, 2017 at 11:44am	Print Post
	"The chambers on all modern production rifles are cut SAAMI spec., the Mirukos easily chamber the long case." This brings up another question, slightly off topic. The 38-55 has SAAMI specs, the 40-65 does not. How many different 40-65 chambers are in production today?


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #12 - Apr 26^th, 2017 at 11:52am	Print Post
	Hmmm, a typo on the cartridge length. Better review the words before posting!


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Reloading for Winchester 1885 38-55 Reply #13 - Apr 26^th, 2017 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 11:44am: This brings up another question, slightly off topic. The 38-55 has SAAMI specs, the 40-65 does not. How many different 40-65 chambers are in production today? There are a number, but not sure about what would be 'production'. The reamer used by C. Sharps in my High Wall had a 'shorter' freebore. The one in my current 40-65 Hepburn is a 'DanT' spec with a longer freebore. From what I've heard from others, both Shiloh & CPA use a 'shorter' freebore version. All use the standard 2.10" case length. There is the "Ron Long 40-65'. Don't recall the specifics.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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