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jayparisi Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Apr 15^th, 2017 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	A friends father brought home from WW2 a Schutzen Rifle The rifle was picked up from a pile of surrendered rifles in the town he was stationed in after the war.The rifle is in very good condition the only markings I can find are Original System Grothe the caliber is 8.15X46R.It has some minor damage to the stock and some rust.He is thinking of selling the rifle and is looking for a fair value.Thank You Jay Parisi


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jayparisi Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #1 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	I believe the front sight got damaged on the trip home from Europe.The barrel length is 32" and the rifle weighs about 17 lbs.Jay


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 578 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #2 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	This is a nice original rifle with original case-hardened action. The rifle looks like it also has its rear schuetzen sight (these are often missing). I can't tell I f the specks on the barrel are lint or in the metal finish. Personally, I place a third of a target rifles value in the condition of the bore. ... Joe


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 814 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #3 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	800 to 1200 would be my estimate, if the bore is good. Mike


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #4 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Anybody notice the stud on the left side of the action? Is that a part of the design, or is it/could it be used as an anchor for a breech seating tool? Nice lookin' rifle, and damn well worth getting back up and shooting.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15769 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #5 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 8:37pm: Anybody notice the stud on the left side of the action? Is that a part of the design, or is it/could it be used as an anchor for a breech seating tool? Nice lookin' rifle, and damn well worth getting back up and shooting. That's the end of a pin, and part of the design. I'd buy those all day long in the $800-$1200 range and resell them! I haven't seen one in that high condition go that cheap in many years!

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 814 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #6 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	Lack of engraving hurts value. Presence of tang site adds value. I don't consider myself an expert, but I follow the online auctions and I own a small collection of 14 German, Austrian & Swiss Schuetzen rifles. Most are very good condition, some engraved. Guess I am cheap never paid more than 1200. More power to you if you exceed that price. Thanks Mike


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 414 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #7 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:46pm	Print Post
	I paid $1500 for mine, which was nearly pristine with matching numbered rear aperture sight and 4-way front sight. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7141 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #8 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 3:09am	Print Post
	Jay, Can you please show us a picture of the action, on both sides, with the lever down? Thank you, Frank

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sharps4590 Junior Member Offline Posts: 80 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #9 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 8:19am	Print Post
	My experience pretty much echo's marlinguys. I haven't seen one for less than about $1500 in years if it's in any kind of condition at all. Yours appears to me to be the Grothe variation on the Haenel/Aydt. That action or one of its variations pretty much became the standard after about WWI. Probably most on here are aware of the series "Alte Scheibenwaffen", an excellent source of info on about all things Schuetzen during it's hey day....and the photography is stunning.


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jayparisi Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2015	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #10 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:12am	Print Post
	Hi,The bore looks good I will try to run a few patches thru it and get a better look.The metal looks like it has some kind of clear coat on it that has protected the case clolor.here are pics of the reciever as requested Thanks Jay

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15769 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #11 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:16am	Print Post
	I haven't had one in probably 8-10 years, but the last one I sold then was similar condition and sold quickly at $1300 back then. From the auction results I see (not asking prices) they're doing much better than $1200. And so few have that sight, and I've seen the sights go $200-$250 alone to those who need them to complete the guns.

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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1737 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #12 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 11:56am	Print Post
	With the sight and the case color condition, I'd expect it to bring between $1500 and $2000. If I was to guess a single number, I'd say $1650.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3491 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #13 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Vall, thanks for the answer to my query of yesterday. I"m not too versed on these interesting rifles, so I asked to help with my learning more about 'em. I'd be willing to snag one if it came at a price, and in a caliber I could live with. More a stalking gun than a full-on offhand rifle would be my choice. Again, thanks for the answer.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: WW2 Bringback Schutzen Rifle Reply #14 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	I replaced the pin head foresight for $125 and a much better diopter for $650 on the last one I bought, considering the Martini action rifle was a bargain bottom price ... in much better condition than the one on the post - wood, metal, checkering and carving


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