Looking at it I would say it's had a fair amount of repair work and it looks too short in the staff the  wind gauge adjustment knob doesn't look right and the knurling  on the center adjustment knob does not look right. ken    (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

I don't think there's much left of an original Stevens sight there, except the aperture and the windage base it screws into. The staff appears to be from another sight, and the base looks like it's off one of the modern Jeff's Outfitters sights made in Hungary. 
Looks like somebody will be buying it, but I'd surely never want it for a collector's sight, or to shoot with. Not worth the price for the parts either.

Guy got pretty salty, didn't he?  Is he truly ignorant, or P.O.'d at being found out?

I'm in agreement that it's at best a "bitza" sight, with the wrong staff at least.  He doesn't know that Favorites and Model 44s need a different staff angle, either.  It'll work for one or the other but not both.  I already learned that the hard way.

Tried to express my own assessment to him, but can't get evilBay to let me send him a message.  Can a seller block emails?  Oh, well.   Sad thing is that somebody's going to buy it and be disappointed.  m

The comments so far have suggested that at least one other ASSRA member has tried to contact the sight's seller.  And while Mr. Stamm has apparently stopped responding to all comments or inquiries directly, he has posted the following on his sight's auction:

Note: If you'll check our feedback, you'll see we try our best to make our buyers happy. Regarding this sight, we did as much research as possible on it before listing. Took as many pics as possible too, to show there's nothing to hide. Apparently a member of an ASSRA  Org. who said, "While theoretically possible...", that it's a Stevens sight, started tearing it apart. I asked him questions he either couldn't or wouldn't answer. And that wasn't enough for him so he emails me with more members condemning us too. What the heck kind of club is this? Nothing better to do than harass Ebay sellers? To the best of my knowledge, this truly IS a Stevens No.108 Tang Sight in very good condition.

Now, Mr. Stamm is truthful about one thing, that I did not answer his two questions. But since he makes a point of it, please reread his response in my first posting and ask yourself if his questions were worth even trying to answer.

In any case, I thank all those who have provided their expertise.  And I also apologize to you all for my actions having caused our organization to be defamed in public.

But then, to coin a variation of an old saw, perhaps it's simply true that not even attempted good deeds go unpunished.

Bill Lawrence

The basic truth is people hide behind ebay's advantages of being an online "store" and letting you be anonymous, and the nature of humans to believe what they read.  There are many sellers in the hobbies I like that on the surface appear "experts" and very knowledgeable.  But it's a shtick, their purpose is to sell as high and as often as possible, regardless of partial frauds.

There was a seller in my other hobby (antique cameras) that started selling on ebay before he learned anything about the subject.  He wrote vivid, imaginative ads.  He sold to many of us things that we found were misrepresented.  When we complained, he'd ask for your phone number to discuss, then try every trick in the book to keep you from writing a bad feedback.  He would curse you, ignore you, cajole you.  We all learned....and avoided him.  The last I looked, he has sold hundreds of thousands of dollars of cameras and exotic lenses.  Every major city has Craigslist ads from him asking to buy "your old, moldy cameras..."  A magazine article interviewed him as being one of Ebay's top sellers, I think making him a millionaire the past 10 years.  

These types of people could care less about a few true experts trying to contact them and advise of a problem.  They are cocky and confident their sales will continue.  Lot of them on Gunbroker too.  Some selling fake Colt boxes and grips, for example, with nobody stopping them.

It's the eBay buyer who is is safe from negative feedback. But you do have to be careful about the wording of any negative comment on a seller, lest you be the one who suffers eBay's retribution.

Bill Lawrence

For those who like to cry silently, that travesty of a sight sold for $402.74 (including shipping).  Sigh!

Bill Lawrence

Bill Lawrence wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:46am:


I'd been thinking that for a good usable sight, $150, even $175, wasn't out of line, relative to repro prices.  But $400+ defies belief, especially after the seller's reference to ASSRA raised a red flag, or certainly should have!   

Most amazing is that it seems fair to assume the buyer probably fancies himself an advanced Stevens collector!

sight sold on gun broker, seller re sold on ebay. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links). maybe an identical sight ? gun broker description: "Up for bid is an unmarked wind gauge vernier tang sight. 1.5 inches center to center holes. This is an older sight that might have been reworked as there is a hole on top that is not filled but looks like it should be there. Still nice solid sight that would work on a stevens ideal , favorite or model 44 . Up, down, left, right adjustments work fine. Upright position snaps into place solidly ."

i'm at the point that i'm slowly getting back into single shots. sold to good buyers and gave a lot away years ago. I never was a fan of feeding vultures, let the sob's starve.

uscra112 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 11:28pm:


Only about 90 or 95% of all gun dealers. 

I don't believe those two sights are the same ones. Look at the base of both sights they are different. 
That was a good try scharfe but I don't believe it fly's.

oneatatime wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:


There is no difference. It's either a twin on each auction, or the same sight. Both show a Jeff's Outfitters Hungarian base on them.

I'm either looking at different pictures than you are, or not understanding what you're referring to?
The sight base at the GB auction has a detent spring, but the one on Ebay doesn't even show the bottom side of the base to determine if it does or doesn't. But the fact they both have the screw for the detent spring attachment tells me the Ebay does indeed have it.
Additionally both sights show equal wear, but both sights show brand new bases of the same design and finish.
The vertical adjuster is between the staff uprights on both sights, and not in front or behind. Since the eye cups are both on the side facing the shooter's eye, I guess I'd say they are both behind in relationship to the aperture. I still can't see a difference in the adjusters. If you observe picture #2 on Ebay and picture #5 on GB, you'll see they are not only identical appearing, but even have the same marks and two small holes in the plate the apertures screw into! Windage for both is identical, and on the right side when facing the aperture.
I see nothing to tell me they're different?

Ok you've got me convinced now. I do agree that the two sights appear to be one but before I  definitely saw one of the sights with a flat spring in the center of the base that was similar to the base spring on a "no name" Ukranian sight that I have.
Now I'm so confused I can't find the picture.
But I'll concede. I do believe you are correct, and good, quality inspection work scharfe.

Bill Lawrence wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:38pm:


Ignorance is bliss!