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Weight and Diameter
Apr 11th, 2017 at 2:07pm
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I now have two rifles in .45-70, a Pedersoli rolling block with a 30" 1-18 twist barrel and a Uberti high wall with a 32" 1-20 twist barrel. I would like to cast a bullet that would work for both rifles(if possible), what would you fellas recommend as to weight and diameter.
  

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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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I suggest that the "Government" 500 gr RN will work in both twists.  or other bullets that are No Longer than it
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 4:58pm
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OH, 
Just make sure that whatever (gg) bullet it is, it should
cast at or Larger by say 0.001-
0.002 than the groove dia of each rifle.
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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:38pm
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Unless you're planning to shoot long range matches, I'd go with something around 420 grains. Those two twists will stabilize the 500 grain bullet, but the 1:18" will do so better at longer ranges. The 1:20" is right at the limit for stabilizing it at longer ranges. 
I like not pushing my loads hotter to get a more stabile bullet, so I use a 420 in my 1:18" twist, and it works extremely well in my restored Ballard.
  

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I guess I should mention that these will be BP loads and used mainly for hunting with the occasional shooting match, if I can find one within reasonable distance to attend.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 7:11pm
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500 Government RN is a good choice as is the 480 Saeco. My 480 Saeco casts at .460 and will shoot very well with BP, plus it's got a small metplat that would be good for hunting.
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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 12:28am
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If your 1-20 twist is actually 1-20 it should handle a Lyman Postell style bullet of 535 grns, the 1-18 will work with up to a 640 gr spitzer bullet at any distance that you can see the target. I would recommend a Hoch postell nosepour mold 535 gr for both rifles, using black it might be a little kicky if your rifles aren't heavy enough.HTH
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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 1:57am
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think 1.450" max bullet length for 1:18" twist.
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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 4:41am
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My mold is a old NEI 458-645 GC  only has one grease groove, according to my calipers it is 1.8425 long, I've never shot it with a gascheck on the bullet. For my bbl I needed to size both the nose and base of the bullet.  I'll attach a pic of the mold if I can.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 7:10am
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We have a shooter who uses the 'other' Gov't bullet out to 600yd with good affect. That is the 405gr bullet that was used in the Trapdoor carbines. If you can get the 500gr bullet to work, it would be the better choice.

If you are looking for BP matches in your part of the world they shoot them just north of Salina, KS, at the St. Louis Benchrest Club, at Effingham, IL and the Benton GC in Benton, AR. As I drive over 3hr to my nearest BPCR match, I think you are close to all of these.  Wink
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 7:20am
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longdistance1,
have you shot that bullet at 1000 yds in any wind at bpcr velocities from an 18 twist barrrel?
I would like to suggest that bullet design would have bad airflow characteristics in the transonic zone, further increasing its instability caused by its great length.
at supersonic speeds it might be ok with smoother drag in the air and spinning faster .
if using black powder the nose bearing surface would bump into the rifling similar to a pp bullet and cause leading unless the bore were prelubed.
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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:42pm
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Bumpup of Longdistance's long bullet ogive with BP will depend, of course, on what alloy he uses. Also, I could picture PPing it and then sizing it to 0.458 or whatever.
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Reply #13 - Apr 12th, 2017 at 11:18pm
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arnie ,
it would need to be way harder than 12:1 lead/tin'
this is now my std pp alloy, and needs patching similar to 16:1.
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it would need antimony to have any chance.
if that were a pp bullet, where would you put the front of the paper to avoid lead contact with the barrel?
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