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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 774 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	FFL Needed? Apr 9^th, 2017 at 9:53am	Print Post
	I didn't want to hijack Bulseyetom's thread..but what about an original Sharps Borchardt action rebarreled to a modern caliber such as .22 Hornet? Can this be shipped or sold without a FFL?


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #1 - Apr 9^th, 2017 at 11:52am	Print Post
	YES, it would appear: "Furthermore, any rifle re-built on a receiver or frame that was manufactured prior to 1899 is considered antique, even if it has been re-barreled or even if every other part has been replaced.[8]"


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 946 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #2 - Apr 9^th, 2017 at 12:04pm	Print Post
	I actually read where it is illegal for an ffl dealer to log a pre 1899 rifle into his bound log book as only firearms under control of the ATF can be entered. I have seen many dealers say that because they had entered a rifle they must ship to an ffl. My Borchardt was in a 219 Zipper Improved and was sent directly to my home. The receiver of a rifle is what matters and not the barrel. Tom


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Jim_Borton Global Moderator Offline Posts: 449 Location: Tipp City Joined: Apr 9^th, 2004	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #3 - Apr 9^th, 2017 at 12:19pm	Print Post
	*This Topic was moved here from General Discussion* [move by] Jim_Borton.**

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Wincacher Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: New Mexico Joined: Feb 8^th, 2016	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2017 at 10:26am	Print Post
	Bulseyetom wrote on Apr 9^th, 2017 at 12:04pm: I actually read where it is illegal for an ffl dealer to log a pre 1899 rifle into his bound log book as only firearms under control of the ATF can be entered. I have seen many dealers say that because they had entered a rifle they must ship to an ffl. My Borchardt was in a 219 Zipper Improved and was sent directly to my home. The receiver of a rifle is what matters and not the barrel. Tom I had an experience last year where a local gun dealer's staff entered and antique into his bound log book in error. As I understood it, there was nothing illegal about that, but since it was on the books it had to go through the background check procedure. I was also told that the simple solution was to remove that gun from the books and sell it as an antique.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #5 - Apr 10^th, 2017 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	I would bet the biggest issue is what the gobbermint employee on the scene doing the enforcement thinks the law is that may not agree with the next guy auditing the books. Kind of like legal opinions; not necessarily what the law is. Arguments generate billable hours

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #6 - Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	Not sure about the dummy who enters an antique into his books and therefore feels he needs to sell it with a 4473 and background check. But I can tell you when I was on the receiving end of this my FFL dealer didn't continue the mistake! He sent the dealer a copy of his FFL and when the gun was received by him he simply handed it to me and told me to enjoy it! No paperwork, and no more continuation of the stupidity.

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: FFL Needed? Reply #7 - Oct 22^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Apr 10^th, 2017 at 5:39pm: I would bet the biggest issue is what the gobbermint employee on the scene doing the enforcement thinks the law is that may not agree with the next guy auditing the books. Kind of like legal opinions; not necessarily what the law is. Arguments generate billable hours This is the problem with most regulations. It all depends on the individual who pays you a visit. I sent a Rolling Block off to a company for some work and they required a copy of my drivers license. When I asked why, I was told that because some Rolling Blocks were made after 1899 and it was difficult to prove the date of manufacture they were just playing it safe. From their point of view, it makes sense. JS


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