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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1324 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #45 - May 21^st, 2017 at 12:20am	Print Post
	jfeldman wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:39pm: Just a thought - would it be possible to stand them in ice water and anneal the necks? Or insulate the main part of the body some other way? Regards, Joe I have a bunch of suitable test pieces, the thought has crossed my mind. Wouldn't be the first bad idea to make the journey. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 826 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #46 - May 21^st, 2017 at 1:12am	Print Post
	waterman wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 7:19pm: craigster wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 6:47pm: Primer compound: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Craig, What is the stuff? DuPont chemists work for 20+ years to produce reliable Kleenbore priming. These guys have chemicals in 2 bags. Has anybody tried it and looked at a dozen barrels afterward? Don't know what it's made of. Maybe similar to what was in the rolled paper caps that we had when were kids ?


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1324 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #47 - May 21^st, 2017 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	Almost there. The solution to the splitting necks was to trim the brass first to 1.135" (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Right to left is a finished round with a 75 grain Vmax, next to a 17 WSM. The progression of steps to finished round. Pulled bullet, trimmed to 1.135", necking up starts at .187" this mandrel was made from the back end of a 13/64" drill bit and grinding a long slow taper. From there it was easy, moving up a caliber at a time, 204, 22 243, 257. Trimmed to 1.200. Completed with bullet seated at 1,250" base to ogive. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Time to start working up a load after a few refinements to the sizing process. Sadly, I remember it shooting better than this. Then again, back then I could see the sights. Any one have a line on a suitable aperture type sight to help a guy see the target again?


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willsweptline Participating Member Offline Posts: 33 Joined: Feb 27^th, 2016	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #48 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Maybe it doesn't like the 75 gr bullets? Could try some 60 gr 25-20 bullets.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1324 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #49 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	willsweptline wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm: Maybe it doesn't like the 75 gr bullets? Could try some 60 gr 25-20 bullets. It definitely does not like that bullet, it's only redeeming quality was availability. Holes were showing signs of keyholing which matches up to stability calculators showing it needs a 1/14 twist to be barely stable at 950 fps. All things considered I was pretty happy to have five shots on a piece of paper at 50 yards. Some 60 grainers are on the way and if they work, I'll be looking for a mold to get something closer to original. Hope some others can get something going.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #50 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Made another expander and brought 19 cases up to .208 I.D. Lost one. Now I'm out of Lee decapper stems to modify, so off to the (online) store.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1324 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #51 - May 22^nd, 2017 at 11:26pm	Print Post
	Played a little more tonight and on cases with a cut neck, I was able to go straight from 20-25. Took it slow on the press because I could feel the machining marks on the mandrel. I'll polish these to a nice fine shine at first chance. I'm feeling more and more confident in the process and have not lost a case since trimming first. I pulled a bunch out of the garbage that I think I can trim below the split and give it a try. A big thanks to willsweptline for the inspiration I know there have been plenty of different attempts at this over the years, but having basically "real" brass to load is pretty darn fun.


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desert-dude Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 439 Location: Selah Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2013	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #52 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16am	Print Post
	Best guess from looking at the stuff on the web is that the priming mixture is chlorate, ground glass, sulfur and maybe charcoal. So you are back to a corrosive primer. As to annealing: the usual modern priming mixtures are a slurry in water when applied. You might get away with standing them in water but I like the idea of some kind of a collet the you can spin while heating the appropriate section of the brass. Then quench in water. .... maybe the whole setup in in a portable drill? Peruse some of the stuff on the web about induction or flame heat-treating. I wonder about priming used brass. Anneal and shape without having to worry about the primer. Then recover priming mixture from primers as a slurry apply and use centrifugal force either axially or radially to implant the slurry. Just thinking out loud which usually gets me in trouble.


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bisaacson Full Member Offline Posts: 170 Location: Kailua Joined: Sep 1^st, 2009	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #53 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	My Marksman seemed to like Lyman 65 gr. GC slugs cast from 1/50 without the gas check, about .257 with 3.1 gr. Blue Dot, from a case primed with a .22 case with the bullet pulled and powder dumped. Disadvantage: some swaging and machining to make the cases, but they should last forever. Reworking these rimfire cases sure makes a neat looking round and might provide more consistent ignition.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #54 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	My Marksman won't hardly even dent the rim of these new cases, much less fire one. For the Marksman, the modified Hornet path is the only way to go. Honestly, it's less work to modify a Hornet case than it is to get these .17 rimfire cases expanded. Especially since the tools I made to convert .223 to .22 Lovell can be adapted. I'm about to go pull out one of my Model 101s to see if the .25 Stevens barrel from my Marksman will interchange. Bore in it is dark and rough, but it's got enough rifling left that it might do some good.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #55 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Just a thought but the Stevens barrels were designed for lead bullets and were extremely accurate with them. I would play with some various weight lead bullets.


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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1324 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: New .25 Rimfire Reply #56 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 9:22pm: Just a thought but the Stevens barrels were designed for lead bullets and were extremely accurate with them. I would play with some various weight lead bullets. That's the plan for now. Need to find a source for a decent cast bullet under 70 grains tho before I invest in a mold. It's down to pull the bullet, trim to 1.35-40. Expand 17- 20- 22, then 25. I think if I cut a different mandrel, it might be possible to go 17-21-25 and cut out one step out. Cutting to 1.35-40" I just end up truing the mouth when done sizing.


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