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Can anyone identify this rifle?
Mar 30th, 2017 at 10:52pm
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Hi, this rifle was owned by my grandfather so I'm guessing it's close to 100 years old. I have no idea of the make or model, there are no markings on the barrel or stock. Thanks for any ideas.
  
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Re: Can anyone identify this rifle?
Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 2:49am
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It's a German or Swiss Martini.

Pull the forearm and take picture of the markings on the barrel.

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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 6:32am
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     Judging from the sights (and the fact that is is almost exactly similar to a Swiss rifle that I have), it is Swiss.    It may be chambered for the Swiss 7.5mm GP90 cartridge.   If so, DO NOT attempt to fire it with modern 7.5 ammunition.
     German rifles of this genre are usually abundantly marked on the bottom of the barrel, giving date of mfr, caliber, etc.  Swiss ones not.

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Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 12:56pm
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Chris, is yours marked Hammerli? Except for the length of the threaded portion it looks like the later Hammerli martinis used by the U.S. team in 30-06.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2017 at 5:48am
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 31st, 2017 at 12:56pm:
Chris, is yours marked Hammerli? Except for the length of the threaded portion it looks like the later Hammerli martinis used by the U.S. team in 30-06.


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       It is gold-inlaid on the left side, "J. STUBER, BIEL", presumably the maker (or vendor).  I was going by the screw placement patterns, and bottom plate similarity to the rifle of the OP.  Also, the lever shape is similar, but not the same.  I got it mainly to investigate the rimless extractor and to play with loading ammo for it.
      My warning not to shoot modern ammo in it was because the chambering for the GP90 cartridge is way different from that of the GP11 cartridge, and not because of strength concerns of the action.  Turns out that the bore and throat dimensions of my Martini are also widely different from those of the Swiss M1889 rifle.  E.g., GROOVE diameter is only 0.299",  whilst leade diameter is 0.326" or so.  In a few weeks, we'll find out how it shoots.   There will be quite a squeeze when it fires!!
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Re: Can anyone identify this rifle?
Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2017 at 9:21pm
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Here's a few more pictures. The only markings on the barrel appear to be "LSSST" and "676".
  
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Re: Can anyone identify this rifle?
Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 6:47pm
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Almost Certainly Swiss     a) not provision for Diopter sight sliding barrel open sight   (FWIW Steve Earl makes a "schuetzen scope adapter" that clamps to that dovetail barrel rail-----I have them on all my Euro-schuetzens) 
b) very basic no frills but very well crafted style

most likely a stalking or hunting rifle   I owned one very much like it at one time in the classic 9.5x by 47r bottleneck "mauser" black-powder target and hunting cartridge.

The Hammerelli "international free rifles" were significantly different  with more typical offhand "schuetzen-style" stock----but still no ornamental carving or engraving.  long barrel, heavy rifles with fully adjustable pronged but-plates

I have 2, one in the 7.5x55 Swiss modern military high power round.   the other nearly identical but is a Swiss modification (bore out/reline convert to rimfire) to 22rf for small bore competition

There is a Swiss Arms Collectors site group that occasionally has posts and threads on the early single shots
  

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