Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case? (Read 13009 times)
moodyholler
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 721
Location: Blue Ridge
Joined: Oct 11th, 2005
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:39pm
Print Post  
To BP and JL, thanks for once again highjacking a post. Makes me think of Dr Maynard......... uuimmmm trolll errr, anyway. To the others who provided information pertinent to my quest, I say, Thanks!!! Now back to the regularly scheduled program, I have the capability to make brass, I just need some info. I do believe I need to disconnect from forums loaded with crotchety old men whom live to do keyboard combat with other like minded old men. Start your own forum and leave my posts alone. Thank you in advance, moodyholler
  
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
waterman
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 3004
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Joined: Jun 9th, 2004
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #16 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 1:57am
Print Post  
I have some original UMC, 40 of the RMC and started with 40 Bertram.  I know Bertram is a dirty word and they are extruded, not drawn.  But if you anneal them carefully, you should get 90 % usable brass.  The RMC cases I have came with a tiny hole in the primer pocket.  No pins that size for my original Ideal tool, so I have not yet used them.

If you stick with light loads, the cases last a long time.

I would really like to know how you make them from 30-06 brass.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
rgchristensen
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1190
Joined: Jan 2nd, 2014
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #17 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 7:52am
Print Post  
waterman wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 1:57am:

I would really like to know how you make them from 30-06 brass.


WATERMAN:
    I'd try turning the web of the case to the appropriate size, assembling a split die around it, and, using a rod thru the case mouth, pushing it thru.   Probably have to anneal it a bit first, and use an arbor press.  I bet it would work, but I'd also bet that one wouldn't get it to work the first time he tried it!

CHRIS
RGChristensen
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
40_Rod
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Extremism in the persuit
of accuracy is not a
vice

Posts: 4285
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: Apr 20th, 2004
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #18 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 9:10am
Print Post  
Right after I got that article from Ken I called Huntingtons to get some of the brass for a future project. Huntingtons told me that were out of it and they had no plans to restock it. It is a real oddball case that they ordered by accident and it took them years to get rid of what they had. Maybe if someone put together a bulk buy here they would do a one time thing. 

40 Rod
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
830singleshot
Senior Forum Member
****
Online



Posts: 487
Location: Texas
Joined: Feb 11th, 2007
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #19 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 9:45am
Print Post  
JLouis wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm:
There is a fellow I believe in Texas? who specializes in making obsolete brass. One of my close friends has talked to him over the phone for his needs but unfortunately I cannot remember which friend or the gentleman's name or contact information. I am more than willing to try to pursue doing so on Moodyholler's behalf and I will do so but I do not want to give him any false hopes of my having any success. It took place quite sometime ago and I am not sure if the gentleman who does that work is still around?

All I can do is to try my best and an important part of what this site was originally created for and not what I as an original charter member feels it has since become.
Yours Sincerely
John Louis

The fella you are thinking about is Bob Hayley, Seymore, TX 940-888-3452, dba Hayley's custom ammunition.  I'm not sure if he is still active in this.   
Hope this helps.
  

J. Scott McCash&&New Braunfels, TX&&830-237-2376&&jsmccash@yahoo.com
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Fritz
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 518
Location: Texas
Joined: Jun 27th, 2008
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #20 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 1:22pm
Print Post  
Thanks John for the info--Fritz
  
Back to top
YIM  
IP Logged
 
uscra112
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4079
Location: Switzerland of Ohio
Joined: May 7th, 2007
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #21 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 4:52pm
Print Post  
It is 10+ years ago now that I was making 22 Lovell from .223 brass.  It took a hydraulic press and some interesting tooling, and some careful lathe work on each case. Believe or not I used the neck portion of a commercial 7mm die for the major swaging operation.   

So I suppose the .30-06 to .28-30 would be possible, but it might take an even bigger press. It would require large primers, which wouldn't be optimum, I would think.  The neck of a .348 Winchester die might do it.  Primer pocket distortion will be very significant.

The last time I spoke with Huntington's about 6x70, they told me that they had sold the very last they had, and that they did not expect ever to see any more.  That was also, I admit, several years ago now.    The few that I have came from Norma.
« Last Edit: Mar 30th, 2017 at 6:20pm by uscra112 »  

<div class=
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #22 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 4:52pm
Print Post  
You are very welcome Fritz and I hope all is well with you its been awhile.

Yours Sincerely
John Louis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
yamoon
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA,
MCA

Posts: 1006
Location: Junction City Kansas
Joined: Feb 11th, 2012
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #23 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 8:02pm
Print Post  
I built my wife a 28-30-120 on a 044 1/2 action many years ago. It was designed to breach seat a 131gr Barnett bullet. While waiting for the kangaroo brass, I turned one on a lathe, anealed it, I borrowed a sizeing die to finish the job, loaded & fired it many times.
Mike
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
John Boy
Ex Member


Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 8:31pm
Print Post  
There is also the option to order some 28-30 Stevens lathe turned cases from Rocky Mountain Cartridge, $65 for 20 ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
moodyholler
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 721
Location: Blue Ridge
Joined: Oct 11th, 2005
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:01pm
Print Post  
My written in 2nd grade English WISH is for drawn brass not turned but hey, thanks for the obvious! moodyholler
  
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #26 - Mar 31st, 2017 at 9:25pm
Print Post  
Moodyholler thank you for your PM saying thanks it is indeed highly appreciated on my behalf. If I can some how be of any further assistance to you now that you have a path to obtain the instock source to come up with 6X70R brass and the article on how to transform it into 28-30 Steven's that I shared with you please just let me know.

Yours Sincerely
John Louis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
waterman
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 3004
Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Joined: Jun 9th, 2004
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #27 - Apr 5th, 2017 at 3:14am
Print Post  
I just saw an old advert for Bertram that said specifically that 28-30 cases were drawn.  Anyhow, if you are patient & careful, annealing first, they will work.  But they are UGLY.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #28 - Apr 5th, 2017 at 7:22pm
Print Post  
I just posted additional information for those who might have an intrest in the Norma 6X70R under 28-30 in the for sale section.

JLouis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
moodyholler
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 721
Location: Blue Ridge
Joined: Oct 11th, 2005
Re: Forming 28-30 120 from what metric case?
Reply #29 - Apr 6th, 2017 at 2:14pm
Print Post  
I am building a fixture to stage '06 to 28-30 after turning base to 38-30 dims. I'll add a pin in a pin to protect primer pocket and flash hole. Then two cylinder s from the side to mash together forming the swage then a pin into case mouth pushed by another pin and cylinder. Out will come a piece of brass needing some prep work and annealling but should work. Opinions and/or disagreements? Thanks, moodyholler
  
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3 
Send TopicPrint