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Mar 21st, 2017 at 1:14am
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I have a CPA in 40/60 Maynard that shoots a BACO 420 gr tapered Money Bullet quite well using 60 gr of 2F in fixed ammo.  I was curious if using the same amount of powder and breech seating  the bullet it may even shoot a little better.
My question is this, if I put 60 gr of 2F in the case and a .060" veg wad in the mouth of the case, ( not down on top of the powder ) will this cause a problem  ie, chamber ringing.
I have tried the bullet breech seated with a full case of powder, 71 gr and it wasn't any better than the fixed load, although it went about 130 fps faster.
All my shooting is done either at 100 or 200 meters.
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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 12:41pm
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I think you've more or less answered your own question about shooting with that black gravel stuff.
How about experimenting with some smokeless for a while to see if the bullet will respond at all. If it does, perhaps something further could be worked out for the black. Just a suggestion, since I've never done anything quite like what you're doing.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 1:18pm
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My only suggestion is to go to FG powder, Rem 2 1/2 primer and a 1/16" poly wad with a little  compression. If your willing to duplex, I would add 6 - 8 gr 4759 and cut the BP to a level load, still compressed.

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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 4:03pm
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mick,
have you experimented with the aigap length when breech seating using a full case?
40 cal might need 1/8" or thereabouts.
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 4:03pm
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mick,
have you experimented with the aigap length when breech seating using a full case?
40 cal might need 1/8" or thereabouts.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:28pm
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Bruce
I've shot many targets trying different breech seating depths and have settled on .110" which engraves the bullets base about half way through. My purpose of this post was to ensure that I will not damage my precious rifle in any way by having an air gap between the powder and the wad.
For the short distances I'm shooting at extra velocity is not required, this is probably the reason that .22 target ammo is usually sub sonic.
As for the suggestion that I contaminate my rifle with smokeless powder I would rather remove my spleen with a rusty knife, I have high standards.
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:44pm
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Must have got 'em from breathing in the smoke. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm
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As for the suggestion that I contaminate my rifle with smokeless powder I would rather remove my spleen with a rusty knife, I have high standards.


Mike, it's more like decontamination. As in less fouling Smiley

BTW, you'll not have any problem with any air gap, when BSing. I have shoot thousands of rounds, both smokeless and BP using a poly wad at the case mouth. You can also BS deeper, until only .035 isn't engraved.

Ask here, about that aspect. I've been using poly wads in the case mouth, since about 1989, w/o issue in 45/70, 33 Max, 32/40 and 32/35.

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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 2:42am
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The air gap thing is made on the 'net into something absolute - it never was.  FWIW, I shoot period military rifles in 577-450 with the powder level (yes, black) tot the bottom of the shoulder, with bullet, wads and lube cookie in the neck.  So yes, considerable air gap.  Shot thousands of rounds like that in different rifles, still waiting for that rung chamber...  And that's with older, softer steel barrels.
W.W. Greener actually advocated using partial loads in express rifles when the correct granulation wasn't available - he considered using too fine a powder more dangerous than shooting with an air gap.  I prefer to believe Greener instead of anonymous internet lore that is repeated like a mantra...
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:10am
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Thank you all for the replies which have put my mind at rest concerning ringing a chamber.
I have tried LDPE wads in the case mouth as well as Walters vegi wads, the Walters wads are just slightly bigger and fit a bit better in my cases. In the past I have had the poly wads fall out in transit with a resulting mess in the cartridge box.
Sorry if I have offended any of the smokeless users ( hopefully they will get over it ) 
Mike.
PS I'm lying, I'm not really sorry but don't tell them that.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 1:09pm
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Mick, we smokeless shooters, secure in our ways, will always be missionaries to the unwashed, ill-educated blow tubers. Don't forget to drop yer empty cases into a bucket of swill- your grandkid's diaper bucket will do. Wink
On a serious note, I hope you get the thing to shoot well, and safely.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 10:48pm
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My cases are gently washed and brushed out in warm water, they are then lovingly dried outside with a soft towel and left to dry inside on a warm stove hotplate. As my grandson ( AKA the feral kid ) is now 3 I don't have a nappy bucket for the empty cases, not that I would consider such a thing anyway.
Mike
PS I wipe between shots, blow tubing makes me giddy.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 10:56pm
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If you have to wipe between shots, you should change your diet. Blow tubing might be worse.  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 6:07am
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I asked a similar question else where Mick B,
Only I was asking what I should use to fill the space. 

Nothing apparently. Thanks guys.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:37pm
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Mike B, you sound like a man after my own heart.  I have an original No.2 Ballard in .25-25 Stevens.  Since this is a cast action, I am only using Swiss 3FG.  I have tried reduced charges..and used COW to fill excess space...bad move!  These cases are turned from solid (RMC Co.).  The slight striations from machining inside neck must have grabbed the COW & stretched cases..causing one to seperate.  I have since resorted to Puff-Lon fiber filler with no problems and excellent results.  This has all been with fixed ammo.  I do plan on trying B.S. in future.
  
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