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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:11pm: Mann has stated on occasion that bore diamter bullets proved to be more accurate than groove so it makes me wonder how well the Long Colt bullets actualy shot? Was there a groove-diameter base band on those bullets? Otherwise, there'd be gas-cutting.


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1612 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #16 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Bullet diameters and base cavities? Yeah, go ahead, I'm all ears.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Jeff_Schultz wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 8:06pm: BP wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Bullet diameters and base cavities? Yeah, go ahead, I'm all ears. The inside-lubed bullets would have been smaller by the thickness of the case walls, whatever that is, expanding at the base (theoretically) like a Minie ball.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #18 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	I used to have a small collection of those cartridge adapters in Marbles and Winchester. The Winchester ones were tough to find, as I figured Winchester collectors grabbed them up quickly. Some worked pretty well, while others were pretty poor accuracy.

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shoothog Participating Member Offline Posts: 34 Location: Lima, OH Joined: Jul 6^th, 2004	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 2:41pm	Print Post
	Thank you all for your contribution of knowledge and experience about and with this device. Do any of you have any idea as to value? Haven't been able to find any reference to a recent sale of one of these. Thanks again and best regards


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #20 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	These supplemental chambers, whether Winchester or Marbles, are in my experience quite uncommon. And while Winchester examples, no surprise, generally sell for a little more, clean, usable examples (which for Winchester refers especially to the plating) are generally offered for $25-$40 each. If you just want to try such an accessory, a large number of new-made chambers are available from MCA Sports & CE Bullet Co.; there web site is (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links). Bill Lawrence


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #21 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	Be sure to check the inside for corrosion. Some weren't cleaned inside very well after having been used, and they do go back to the black powder and corrosive priming era.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #22 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	Sold mine years ago for $10 each, but last I saw were around $25-$30 for nice clean ones.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4064 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #23 - Mar 20^th, 2017 at 7:09am	Print Post
	There was a guy at a Richmond, VA gun show many years ago selling a variety of newly made chamber inserts. I bought the 32-40 size (of course) and played with it a little then put it away. It took 32 S&W long cartridges, IIRC. FROGGIE


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coljimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2012	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #24 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:38am	Print Post
	One exactly like that one sold last nite on ebay. I quit watching it at about $38.00. Already spent my allowance on more important stuff. James


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2841 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #25 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	James I quit bidding at $32

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #26 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	Was the seller providing any outside-lubricated Short or Long Colt to go with it?

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Ol_Deuce Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 343 Location: Billings,Montana Joined: Nov 19^th, 2008	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #27 - Mar 24^th, 2017 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	I have the 30wcf.....never used it but in the gun locker getting dusty Ol Deuce

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #28 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	By accident ran across a review of supplemental chambers in the 5th ed. Gun Digest Treasury. A Marbles chamber tested in a .30-30 produced 3-shot groups of 1" at 25 yds.; but as the author stated, hitting a grouse at that range was all that was expected. Best of the devices appeared to be one made by RWS similar to the Marbles with its own spring-loaded firing pin. I live where there are fair grouse populations, and a few times I've encountered one that loitered long enough to make itself a good target, assuming the chamber was loaded and ready to fire. But 99% of them flush without my even seeing them, so instead of a supplemental chamber, a can of sardines might be the hunter's wiser choice.


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coljimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 283 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2012	Re: Winchester patent chamber insert Reply #29 - Mar 27^th, 2017 at 11:13am	Print Post
	I much prefer venison jerky to those smelly, greasy little fishes. But back to the L. O. L. vs L. I. L. bullets: My vocabulary got obscenely expanded trying to make outside lubricated 38 heel bullets work for my 38 extra long rolling block, ruined a couple of thin walled rare original cases. Then I found a rare number 8 Ideal tool, casting deep hollow base bullets, and that solved the dilemma. Now the bullets don't fall out before they are supposed to, and they work well in the accuracy department too. James


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