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SR-4759 Powder
Mar 5th, 2017 at 12:03pm
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Yes I've been told that the SR-4759 powder had been scratched from production, but I have about 10 pounds of it. I figure if I've got it I may as well use it. So I have a few questions I'd like to put out to shooters who are familiar with this powder.

Having tried several different powder measures I come to the conclusion that this powder doesn't meter that well. Have any of you found a measure that you find better suited to this powder? So far the large Harrell's and the RCBS Uni-Flow have been about the best for me.

Question #2 Over the years I've found slight differences in some lots of powder. One that was apparent many years ago was 2400. I just use that as an example, and I don't want to get into that. I'm sure that there is some one who has used SR-4759 for many years and could answer this question. How is this powder from lot to lot, does it remain consistent?   

Would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions.

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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 12:12pm
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The only thing I use my B&M for is this or other long grain powders, because it seems to shear the grains with less grating than other measures; but any grating at all is annoying to me, so I use other powders if possible.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 12:30pm
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I used  my Lee Perfect Measure.  I checked about every 5th load   and it remained consistent  with 4759 and other bulky powders.   

No idea about question 2

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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 12:35pm
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Well, I certainly wish I still had ten pounds, but I'm down to about a third of that. But, I never found a measure that would dispense it to suit my desired loads within a couple of tenth of a grain. Total, not a couple on either side of the goal. Does it matter? Dunno, but since I never load more than forty or so with that powder  at any time, it's no bother to trickle up on a good scale. 
Maybe we'll each have enough (and live long enough) to see it come back again, since it's great powder.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:45pm
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Guys, Thanks for the replies, and info. I guess that it's trickle for the exact weight and that's it. Not a problem with fixed or per-load shells with wad + powder. Guess that I've been spoiled with Harrell's measures and 4227 and AA#9 powders. They make loading at the firing line in a match a cinch. 

With the recent development of new powders by IMR who know maybe they will come up with something to replace it with. I've been told that SR-4759 was dropped once before and then brought back. At any rate I've enough to keep me shooting for a while.

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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 2:01pm
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Another vote for the B&M but, they take extra time at the bench. I've used the B&M a lot for my BP duplex loads (3.5 - 5.0 gr). I get reasonable results with my Redding pistol measure, not quite as good as the B&M though. If you have a pistol measure insert for your RCBS, try it if it's 3/8 diameter or less. The Redding are 5/16.

If your asking about the lot to lot because you have 1lb cans of different lot #. Mix them together in a large canister and that will solve it.

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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 2:45pm
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Why not sell it to some one who loves it and use something you are familiar with?
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:32pm
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I found a slight difference between the old 4759 and the new that required a few tenths difference in load for the same result. Not surprising. I had a carefully derived load for 4320 that went to hell with a new can (years ago - all duPont). When questioned duPont said it was to be expected from one lot to another. I thought 5% difference was a bit much to expect.
  
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Re: SR-4759 Powder
Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 5:37pm
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Frank, Your suggestion of mixing the many small cans together sounds like something that would work. However I have a un-opened 4 pound and a un-opened 5 pound. The only 1 pound I have is now nearly consumed. I'll give my B&M a try, and see how it does. The powder hopper was missing when I got it. Used copper pipe reducer, end cap and pipe to make the one in the photo. It work out with very little fitting to join the measure.

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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 6:10pm
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When I used a lot of 4759 threw the charge from my large Harrell's into my scale pan. Exact charge I wanted no dribbling up to weight. Most of the time it was fine sometimes not, bridging would make for a short charge. Dumped it back into the measures open top bottle and threw another. 

My opinion check weight every charge catches problems without much slow down and will make you a better measure operator.

Side note using the same technique with 4350 more reject throws than the shorter grain 4759. Recently pouring 4350 back in the factory canister it bridged and clogged the funnel. Hard to fault the measure when long stick powders will bridge running through a large funnel.

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Short and well put< Boats!!!!

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Reply #11 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:59pm
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I have been using an RCBS Chargemaster for my CBA loads in 223 and 308.  I have a lot of it from the last production, more than I will use in my lifetime.  One of my Redding measures does well with it also.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:25pm
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Have in the past had Bridging with both 4759 and 4350. An older poster GrampaXX years ago advised me to use a smooth small Rat Tailed File to open the hole where it necked to a Elongated shape just big enough to be seen. This cleaned up my problem and it has never re occurred with 4759. I no longer use 4350 but at the time it also worked there. HTH Regards, FITZ-G Smiley
PS. By the way 4759 has been discontinued at least three times in my shooting career. Always comes back. Think I know why. Found a Surplus Military Ammo dealer years ago selling salvaged 4759 at a good price. Six Lb Jugs for $4.00/Lb and discounted more if you ordered four at a time. Contacted him about his source. Reply was it was salvaged from .308 Blank Ammo. Used for Salute firing in M14 Rifles. Could make them function with just a Paper seal at the mouth of the Case. HTH
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:51pm
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FITZ-G wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:25pm:
Have in the past had Bridging with both 4759 and 4350. An older poster GrampaXX years ago advised me to use a smooth small Rat Tailed File to open the hole where it necked to a Elongated shape just big enough to be seen. ... Regards, FITZ-G Smiley


I used a dremel to smooth the internal cone (Lyman #50) - that helped a bunch!


  

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Re: SR-4759 Powder
Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:50am
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When I learned of 4759's demise I went on a quest to stock up on enough for the long haul. At age 64, I think I have it nailed. Since it's all in one and four pound canisters I think I'll dump it all into a clean bucket to blend it, and re-package in the original containers- that way I won't have to waste any of the precious stuff by having to reformulate loads sometime later on.

Since I'll be breaking the seals on the canisters, I'm thinking too of smearing wax around the lids for long term peace of mind.

I use it for most all of my .30 caliber cast bullet target work, and have found that measuring it via my old Belding&Mull (scale checking every 10 rounds or so) yields equal accuracy compared to weighing each charge. Not as accurate as with ball powders obviously, but practically speaking a no-brainer.
  
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