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Re: SR-4759 Powder
Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:41pm
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Most of the powders I use are of the coarse extruded types and none of the conventional measures give me any confidence to plus or minus .1 grain.
Before the current crop of electronic powder dispensers were born the old AMT company designed an auto trickle system that dumped the powder into an Ohaus beam scale. 

Because I shoot a lot of SR4759 I bought the remnants of an AMT Autoscale and sent it to Lyman for replacement of the missing pan.  
The Autoscale works great for dispensing coarse powders especially SR4759. 
For large charges (50 grains and up) some people complain about the Autoscale being a little slow. Eventually I bumped into 2 more that I got for bargain prices.  My brother swapped me out of one.  When I need to run a large lot of ammo with large powder charges I set up both scales for the same load. Then I dump one charge while the other trickler is running.
Because these use a light detecting photo diode to switch off the tricklers getting SR4759 to the tenth of a grain is easy. The beam is made by Ohaus and is the same beam used in the 5-10 and 10-10 RCBS scales. 
AMT went out of business and Lyman took over the Autoscale for a decade or so.
AMT scales are all chocolate brown. 
A few Lyman scales are chocolate brown but most are Lyman orange. 
I have all 3 combinations. The only variations I have found is the power jack for the power supply. When I got my old AMT repaired Lyman sent me a one size fits all universal powder supply. 
They work great for SR4759.

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Reply #16 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm
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Ireload, add another color to yer list- mine's a pearly gray color. It's good for trickling magnum loads using long stick powders like 4831 and RL22, or similar. I never used it for small doses of 4759, though.
If you are happy with yours, I'm good, just saying how I go about it here.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:05am
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I know that this is going to sound heretic what with all the folks that love 4759 and bemoan it's passing, I use this powder in cast bullet loads in my Finn model 27 Moisin Nagant rifle. Lyman's 314299 and 20.0 grains in Hansen cases and set the sights for 600 yds for shooting @100 yds. Frank
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 6:10am
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Frank
I don't think there is anything that SR4759 is not fun to shoot in.
I have tried it in .222 Rem, 30-30, 40-65, 38-55, 45-70 and .375 H&H. 

The Speer jacketed bullet manuals listed reduced loads with SR4759 for a lot of cartridges.
That is where I got the load for 30 grain with a 235 grain Speer bullet in the .375.  It is about like shooting a .35 Rem.

oldman46 wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:05am:
I know that this is going to sound heretic what with all the folks that love 4759 and bemoan it's passing, I use this powder in cast bullet loads in my Finn model 27 Moisin Nagant rifle. Lyman's 314299 and 20.0 grains in Hansen cases and set the sights for 600 yds for shooting @100 yds. Frank

  
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Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 10:52pm
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SR 4759 has been great for me over the years. Have been using Reloader 7 also for the past ten years. 5744 for the past 5 years. All seems great in my 45/70s.  Jay
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:20am
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Ireload2, cool scale!  Never seen that one before.

Did you keep any data for your 4759 loads in the 40-65??  Bullet weight, velocity... etc.

I gave 4198 a little test and had thought to do the same with 4759.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:35am
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Since accuracy is the only results anyone actually wants to obtain and accuracy is the results of minimum variation in all aspects I am surprised at some of the responses I have read above.
-If the powder in question is not as accurate as possibly other why would you use it? There is always a replacement if you do the experimentation, work!
-If the powder doesn't measure very well (and I agree with this conclusion) why dispense it with a powder thrower? I would throw a short load and then trickle on a weight scale each and every charge. (I know this is not quick but what do you want easy or accuracy?)
-If the powder has inconsistencies between lots then don't shoot a target across lots. Use a single lot for any given match. Mixing seems like a lot of work and now really all you have done is spread the inconsistencies.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:46am
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Mixing simply averages the in consistences. Works even better if one does a good
job of mixing. Use a non-static sheet and roll the whole batch corner to corner then
90 degrees to the original. Repeat several times. Will homogenize as well as you are
going to do without one of the tumbler mixers used for pharmaceuticals.

If you have a source of inert gas then flood the containers before sealing. Ar/He or dry
N2 would be good. Ar/C02 maybe not quite so good. 

I've heard of people assembling there own scale/trickler/opto. With the mechanical 
talent available in this group I'm surprised someone here hasn't done it.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 5:25pm
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I know this won't be of much practical help unless you are already a collector of old powder measures or want to begin a quest, but I found I could get my most consistent drops of 4759 from an old Ideal #5 Micrometer powder measure.  They haven't been made for about 65-70 years, but they do show up on flea-Bay fairly often.  I was using 13.6 gr of 4759 in my 32-40 high walls as far back as I can remember.  I think I have about 8-10 pounds or so of it around in various containers, the largest of which is one of the 1 gallon sized "bleach jug" containers the surplus dealers used to sell it in (8 pounds??)  I've slowed down using it now, just for my 32-40 offhand rifle, so it should outlast me.

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Reply #24 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 8:02pm
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Oh wow!!  I just remembered that I swapped Dale53 some pistol powder I had happened upon for another 4# or so of 4759.  I'll either have to shoot a lot more or live longer to use up my supply!!!!  Smiley
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 9:14pm
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Mr. Frog, you go ahead and live long enough to use it all up, and some of the next batch when they start to manufacture it again, again. 
I'm still liking my version of the green frog 4759 load Smiley
  
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Re: SR-4759 Powder
Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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calledflyer wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Mr. Frog, you go ahead and live long enough to use it all up, and some of the next batch when they start to manufacture it again, again. 
I'm still liking my version of the green frog 4759 load Smiley


That's mighty kind of you, Mr. Flyer!  I wish I could take more credit for that load, but when my late friend Charlie Dell told me that 4759 was one of the powders least likely to ring chambers on original guns, I got my first supply and found a suggested range of loads in the book by Roberts and Waters.  The load I so frequently espouse is within a 0.1-0.3 grain tweak of what they published all those years ago.  I've tried others, but other than a similar powered charge of 4227, that charge is about as good as I have found.

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Reply #27 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:28am
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Mr. Frog, Since you have stated your favorite powder charge of SR-4759 you use in the 32-40 cartridge please tell us what the bullet is you favor. What is it's weight?

                         Thank you, Sendaro
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 10:33am
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Mr Frog, Count me as another curious about your bullet weight.  You have me rethinking my 32-40 loads.   I did get some nice performance out of a lower velocity load for that caliber and powder, 10.3gr for average velocity of 1048 (extreme spread was 51.32 but I didn't have any extreme spikes in that reduced load) but my bullet was a 164gr LBTLFN.  I got good of performance out of 2400, IMR 4227, and IMR 4198 and I think my traveling load has been 2400.  You are gonna make me revisit that.   To date my highest load of 4759 has been 12gr for a average velocity of 1268.   The two rifles I shoot that in are vintage so I've been sensitive to spikes and monitored them closely.   Bet I'd have some room in there though considering that velocity leaves room to creep upward a bit.
         
  

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Reply #29 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 1:33pm
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I'll join in here by saying that I got the notion to try it when I read  his load for 13.6 gr 4759 and a bullet of 196 gr. Well, I have a mold that casts that (different than his) and same powder. So what the hell, it'll be fun I say. Turns out that it is accurate as heck and pretty much became one of my favorite loads. 
I chalk most of it up to the powder charge being just right for the caliber. Previously, my charges, like yours, were lighter, with decent accuracy. This didn't get anywhere near high pressure, and I'll never know why my loads had remained as light as they had. The only downside is that it'll hasten the end of my stash by just a wee tad. Cry
  
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