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19th Century Austrian Sporting Rifle (video added)
Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:27am
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I posted the write up below on another forum and a fellow there suggested that I post it here. Any additional info on either the cartridge or the maker would be appreciated. Thank you

I am extremely proud of this particular project. Although I have formed brass for quite a few antique firearms I have always had a starting place. I knew the caliber and was able to look up a likely parent case. This one I had to figure out and I still do not know what caliber it actually is.

First the rifle. It was built by Johan Rosler in the 1880's. So far this is all I can find out about him. "Johann Rosler was listed as a gunsmith in Salzburg Austria from the 1870s until the 1890s and was a maker of Fine Rifles, Drillings, and shotguns. He was appointed Buchmiester or Royal Court Maker sometime in the 1880s where he was the sole maker of firearms for the Royal Austrian Court and held this title until the 1890s."

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It is a single shot hunting/stalking rifle chambered in some 11mm caliber. It was sold to me as chambered in .43 Mauser, but it is not. It is finely engraved and in almost mint condition. Even the screw heads are engraved and it has a Greek god face carved horn cap on the pistol grip.

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Double set triggers and a tang sight that completely folds into the tang and out of sight. Bore is pristine.

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As I said it was sold to me as a .43 Mauser and it is not so I had to figure out what it is. Here is my process. I tried to chamber a .43 Mauser round, but the body of the case was too thick to fit. I took a chamber cast and slugged the bore. The groove diameter is .446 which would be consistent with a .43 Mauser. However, the
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Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:30am
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am
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Congrats on that rifle !! I had seen that rifle when it went at auction and had wondered what happened to it. Am so glad you got it and have been shooting it. Great job. Really a fine looking gun
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:12am
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Excellent, thank you for the pictures and the write up.

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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 3:32pm
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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:10am
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I have a very similar elegant light  "stalking rifle".  I acquired it some years ago from a fellow shooter as a barreled and but originally-stocked side-lever break-open action. 
Apparently the forend was missing when he acquired it, so as a talented machinist he re-created working forend metal, and then lost interest in it.   I got it from him, had the metal completed, and fitted a wood forend to it. 
It also seems to have been a "proprietary" variation on the .43 BN Mauser case---probably from before such cartridges were standardized.  I ended up doing a chamber cast and and having Rocky Mtn Cartridge turn 40 cases to fit the chamber. 
  They are BN on the exterior but thick-walled in the body (a la' everlasting cases) with a straight walled internal "combustion chamber".  I had them mark the case heads "11x61r Pauli" since that was the name inlaid in gold on the barrel.

I got sidetracked with other Euro-schuetzens for target use, and never have developed loads for it. I always wanted to try deer hunting with it, but our deer camp up north, where rifle hunting was legal, was sold. Maybe this will motivate me to take it off the wall and out to the range.
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:44am
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Great looking gun, and nice write up! Love to see folks getting old guns shooting again!
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 7:32pm
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Great post and nice photos.  I think this would be a great topic for the ASSRA journal.   

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Reply #8 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 2:20am
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What a great old rifle. Real nice to get it shooting. Hoe does the rifle open to load?

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Reply #9 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 2:28pm
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I will second that thought that it would make a great article for the ASSRA journal.
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Reply #10 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 3:56pm
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Powderman,
The Lefaucheux lever, of which you can make out the tip at the end of the forearm, rotates to the side which disengages a rotary cam from the locking lugs on the barrel which drops normally. This shotgun image should give you the idea.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 2:12am
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Thanks oneatatime. I missed seeing the lever in the original post.

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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 7:39am
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I believe I saw your other thread but have forgotten where....imagine that from me.  I believe it bears repeating, "well done!!" on your case forming and load development.  There is not much that is as satisfying as what you did with the fine old rifle.

With the short forearm your lovely rifle has an almost Collath look to it.  

According to what I've learned over the several years of fooling with German rifles the 11.15 X 60R Mauser case head is known as the "A" base Mauser.  As with most former military cartridges several cases were based on it.  Most common probably being the 9 X 47R, 9.5 X 47R and the 10.5 X 47R.  The 9.5 case was for several years a successful Schuetzen cartridge.

I've also learned that what we think of as a tang sight on those old rifles is more than likely a diopter for sharpening the barrel sights.  Something all of us with older eyes have experience.  I have a couple so equipped and on them and many others I've had the privilege to examine there is no way to remove the rear barrel sight from the sight picture of the tang diopter.  When correctly adjusted, if they are adjustable, they work as good as the Merrit optical device or the Lyman diopter.

I have a similar rifle except that it is on a Jones underlever and as with yours sold to me as a cartridge different from what it really is and unknown to me.  I've come to call it the 9.3 X 62R, not to be confused with the 9.3 X 62 smokeless, bottleneck cartridge.  Mine was easier to form than yours as it turned out to be a shorter version of the 9.3 X 72R.  All I had to do was trim the 72R case to 62mm and work up an accurate BP load.  Great fun!

Again, what a lovely old rifle and another well done!!!

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Reply #13 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:04am
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This video was taken for Chinese Youtube. Thought some might get a kick out of it.


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Reply #14 - May 21st, 2017 at 12:02am
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Thanks for posting the link, enjoyed it very much. One thing to post pics but the video gives a whole new look at the rifle. Kinda shocked when you said it only weighed about 6 pounds as it looks to be much heavier. Thanks again, Frank
  
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