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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 335 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	For the Ballard fans Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	I am wondering if any collectors have encountered something similar. I have a R Ball & Co. Ballard Patent spotting rifle with a globe front sight with what appears to be flowers embossed on the outer circumference of the sight. The inside the front sight is a spade shape with a hole in it. This appears to brass dovetailed lengthwise into the bottom of the globe. John Dutcher’s Ballard book shows a similar sight mounted on pre-Marlin Ballard rifles of various makers, but the photos are not detailed enough for me to tell if they have the features mine does. Any thoughts? This same R Ball & Co. rifle is what I believe to be original nickel plate over a round spot on the left side of the receiver, which is I think, a factory repair of some sort. Any thoughts? Regards, Powderman


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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 335 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #1 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	Could only attach I pic so here is another.


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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 335 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #2 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:24pm	Print Post
	Could only attach I pic so here is another.


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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 335 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #3 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	Could only attach I pic so here is another.


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powderman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 335 Location: British Columbia Joined: Feb 26^th, 2005	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #4 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	Could only attach I pic so here is another.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	I don't see many R Ball Ballard rifles, and have never seen a sight like that on any gun, Ballard or other. Very unusual globe sight! Never seen a pre Marlin Ballard with the round plug in the receiver, and wonder myself what the reason could be for a plug at that spot. I've seen pins near that spot to hook the link on a breech seating tool, but they're a bit higher to line up with the bore. Nickel does look old, so if it's not original, I'd guess it was or was done a long time ago.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #6 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	The ring of the globe is ridiculously thick; wonder if it was cut from a tube or cylinder of some sort embossed with that floral pattern?


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SgtDog0311 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 384 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #7 - Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	Will you look at the rifling at the muzzle. Way cool! Does it look good from the breach?

	Best Regards, John
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:16am	Print Post
	SgtDog0311 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 10:19pm: Will you look at the rifling at the muzzle. Way cool! Does it look good from the breach? Those old pre Marlin Ballard rifles had some big, deep rifling John! Not sure if that equated to accuracy though. Seems most of the old barrels with reputations for extreme accuracy had much narrower lands, and wider grooves.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:11am	Print Post
	The ring of the globe is ridiculously thick; wonder if it was cut from a tube or cylinder of some sort embossed with that floral pattern? I second this notion. Also, having made globe front sights from cartridge magazine retainer rings, the sight looks to me to be the work of a talented individual rather than a factory. Also, if these earliest Ballard receivers were cast, could the plug be a heatless (factory?) fix to a casting flaw? Bill Lawrence


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57thahc Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Hillsdale Mi. Joined: Dec 29^th, 2007	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:16am	Print Post
	I agree the tube of the sight looks like a decorative tube embossment, the rest of the sight is brass welding and iron pieces. Still it is attached to an early Ballard and looks like someone wanted to personally "add" a bit of them selves to their Ballard. Some things are not all ways "virgin". Vintage SS rifles are 99.9% used ,collector's are looking for that rare "virgin" item. I have a good friend that collects and has an unfired Henry rifle, I certainly believe it is,as he does his homework. Unique item and as he has other guns to shoot,it can set in his safe. I like the special sight, but I am a artist so off beat things are interesting! Dick Stack57thahc

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:47am	Print Post
	Bill Lawrence wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 9:11am: [color=#ff0000] Also, if these earliest Ballard receivers were cast, could the plug be a heatless (factory?) fix to a casting flaw? Bill Lawrence Yes Bill, all the pre Marlin Ballard rifles were cast frames. I suppose if the factory was trying to save money by plugging an imperfection, then the best place to use the plugged repair would also be on a receiver that was scheduled to be nickel plated. Any other receiver would likely show the plug with color casehardening.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 11:10am	Print Post
	My first thought regarding that "plug" is, because of it's location, it's a barrel retaining pin. But, if so, you would think that it would extend to the other side, so that it can be removed w/o drilling it out. Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16276 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Feb 24^th, 2017 at 11:10am: My first thought regarding that "plug" is, because of it's location, it's a barrel retaining pin. But, if so, you would think that it would extend to the other side, so that it can be removed w/o drilling it out. Frank I thought the same thing Frank. But it looks a little low to intersect the barrel threads I think?

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: For the Ballard fans Reply #14 - Feb 24^th, 2017 at 12:33pm	Print Post
	Enough speculation; to the X-ray dept.


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