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Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:14am
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I would appreciate any info on getting the best 25-21 Stevens or 25-25 Stevens brass. Which brand or source is best for reloading in your experience.  Thanks
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:47am
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This is about the only source of brass for those calibers:

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The ones I have and have seen, are extremely thick, through out so, they will need to be well  anealed, about half way back or they will split and won't seal  at the neck. 

The only other way is to search publications and gun shows for cartridge collectors, where you'll pay $3-5 per round. And with their age, they may split, too.

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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:46pm
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I have the 25-21 RMC cases and I have not found a need need to anneal them and I have yet to loose a case. If that is the route you end up having to take I would ask RMC if this is or is not something they would recommend for you to do.
I also have several of the Bertram cases and I had a pretty severe problem with the mouths collapsing. After making an adjustment to the bullet seating depth to correct it I have yet to loose another case.

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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:58pm
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I had RCM turn up .25-25 Stevens cases for my Ballard.  Very nice workmanship.  Only case lost was due to using COW as a filler in reduced black powder loads...the COW probably grabbed the very slight machining marks inside of case neck stretching case.  I no longer do that, & haven't lost a case since.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm
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Guys    Thanks for the info.  I, too, have had problems with the brass splitting. I'm going to try reducing the load in 1-2 cases.  Would annealing the whole case help ?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:04pm
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No do not anneal the whole case!
In fact I would be extremely leary of annealing anything beyond what the manufacure has already provided you. 
In all honesty and based on my own persoanl experiance it would be to your advanatge and best intrest to simply re-adjust your seating depth if you are breech seating to very simply correct and eliminate the problem.

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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:25pm
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Ballard6 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
Guys    Thanks for the info.  I, too, have had problems with the brass splitting. I'm going to try reducing the load in 1-2 cases.  Would annealing the whole case help ?


If the brass you had split was the crap Bertram brass I'm not surprised it split. I bought 40 rounds of Bertram from BACo. and lost 2/3 of them on the first mild firing. A load that I'd used with original 80 year old brass for years without issues.
I bought RMC brass and never had a problem with them. From the discoloration on mine when it came, it appeared to already be annealed, so I never annealed it further.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:40pm
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Vall a friend and a fellow competitor has over 750 firings in a single 28-30 Bertram case. All though it is indeed far from being close to being the best and actually the worst that I have ever owned. I have found a way to work around and to overcome their short comings if one would have the desire to take the time and effort to do so. The main problem being if not knowing in which way to proceed is they could all very easily be destroyed / lost before over coming it.

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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:49pm
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Maybe my 32/20 RMC brass is defective.

In the chamber, the 32/20's neck tapers from .331 to .327 at the mouth. My RMC cases have a straight neck that measures .315 outside and is .019 thick. They are also .014 longer than the chamber.

I have anealed the necks but, won't shoot them until I expand them to at least .328 OD.

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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:02pm
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Why would you possibly think that your RMC cases are defective and what are missing that would point to them being as such?

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Reply #10 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:49am
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The case head, rim and primer pocket are fine. The shoulder is a little undersize but, ok.

What I'm calling defective is the following:

1. The OAL is 1.330, .015 longer that the chamber

2. The neck is .015 smaller than the chamber

3. The wall thickness of the neck is .019

4. The inside diameter if the neck is .277, try putting a .312 bullet in there

With the neck .015 smaller than the chamber and the wall thickness of the neck .019, what do you think the chances are that it could expand and seal the chamber? Machined brass bar stock is not very pliable, I will even have to be very, very careful to expand it mechanically, after annealing, w/o splitting it.

But, first I have to shorten the brass so, that it will even chamber. That's the only part that I don't mind.

Would you call that defective?

Does your 25/21 brass have a neck .019 thick and did it come .015 undersize in that area?

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Reply #11 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:35pm
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My 25-21 Brass fits very nicely and I have not had any problems with it to date. If one orders brass from RMC and also sends in a chamber cast it will then be made to fit those chamber dimensions and typicaly they do not require any additional work. At least that held true with the original owner and I am not sure if this still holds true with the new one. It used to be noted on the site that it was recommended for one to do so but I have not been back on the site since the new owner took over and I am not sure if it is still noted that it is still best for one to send in a chamber cast? .010 thick at the mouth and inside diameter .261 as requested, when one pays for the fairly exspensive cost of a case he might as well take full advantage of having them trully custom made to fit ones needs at no additional cost.

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Reply #12 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:55pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
My 25-21 Brass fits very nicely and I have not had any problems with it to date. If one orders brass from RMC and also sends in a chamber cast it will then be made to fit those chamber dimensions and typicaly they do not require any additional work. At least that held true with the original owner and I am not sure if this still holds true with the new one. It used to be noted on the site that it was recommended for one to do so but I have not been back on the site since the new owner took over and I am not sure if it is still noted that it is still best for one to send in a chamber cast? .010 thick at the mouth and inside diameter .261 as requested, when one pays for the fairly exspensive cost of a case he might as well take full advantage of having them trully custom made to fit ones needs at no additional cost.

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So then, are my cases defective if they were be to fired in a standard 32/20 chamber?

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Reply #13 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 3:25pm
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I don't have a clue Frank if they were not requested to be made to fit your own chamber specs. and other possible needs I would not think why they might be considered to be so?

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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm
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Ok John, since they are marked 32/20, would you consider them safe to shoot in a standard 32/20 chamber, Bsed or fixed? Could I sell them, as is to anyone to shoot in their rifle or pistol? Would anyone be able to seat a bullet in them, that is the right size for a 30-32/20?

Maybe defective and safe aren't the same regarding cases?

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