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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3847 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Hopkins and Allen 22s Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:29pm	Print Post
	I was looking at a real nice 922 in a shop yesterday and was surprised to see that the extractor was at 6 o'clock whereas the one on my 1922 is at 9. My gunsmith has mine for relining but I'm thinking the firing pin strikes at 6. I would think that having the firing pin strike over the extractor supported rim might not be best place unless the extractor was very carefully fitted which might not be the case in an inexpensive rifle. Thoughts?
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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1774 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #1 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:57pm	Print Post
	I've owned several, they work fine.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #2 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:14pm	Print Post
	Uncounted gazillions of Stevens Favorites and Model 44s were that way. Ignition is only a problem if extractor isn't fitted properly. As in "don't cut the recess too deep!". My gripe with the H&A extractor at 6 o'clock is that it doesn't pull the case out far enough.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #3 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 1:09am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:14pm: Uncounted gazillions of Stevens Favorites and Model 44s were that way. Ignition is only a problem if extractor isn't fitted properly. As in "don't cut the recess too deep!". My gripe with the H&A extractor at 6 o'clock is that it doesn't pull the case out far enough. My grip with the 7 o'clock extrator is that the cases drop into the action and get bound up. OH, it's as much of a problem but, BR it is. It's hard to turn the rifle over to dunp the case with a scope mounted. Even OH if the case drops behing the BB it won't come out, creating problems. They should have been designed with a ejector. Frank

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #4 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 1:28am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:14pm: ... My gripe with the H&A extractor at 6 o'clock is that it doesn't pull the case out far enough. If your 6 o'clock extractor is actuated by contact with the bottom of the breech block as it drops downward, make a new extractor that is actuated by the movement of the lever. Time it right so that the stiff lever spring can "snap" the upper part of the lever against the back side of the extractor just as the lever reaches the end of its travel, and a non-sticking 22 LR case can end up being popped clear of the chamber.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #5 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 3:58am	Print Post
	Oh, thanks. Now I'm going to be awake until dawn working that out.........

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #6 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 4:02am	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Feb 5^th, 2017 at 1:09am: uscra112 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 11:14pm: Uncounted gazillions of Stevens Favorites and Model 44s were that way. Ignition is only a problem if extractor isn't fitted properly. As in "don't cut the recess too deep!". My gripe with the H&A extractor at 6 o'clock is that it doesn't pull the case out far enough. My grip with the 7 o'clock extrator is that the cases drop into the action and get bound up. OH, it's as much of a problem but, BR it is. It's hard to turn the rifle over to dunp the case with a scope mounted. Even OH if the case drops behing the BB it won't come out, creating problems. They should have been designed with a ejector. Frank Frank, are you really shooting benchrest with a Hopkins & Allen?

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moodyholler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 695 Location: Blue Ridge Joined: Oct 11^th, 2005	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #7 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	Having owned part of the original instructions for a H and A rifle, they stated, "Place the thumb behind the back of the lever and snap down sharply, thus ejecting case clear of the action. ". I will post a picture for you to see later. moodyholler


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Hopkins and Allen 22s Reply #8 - Feb 5^th, 2017 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Frank, are you really shooting benchrest with a Hopkins & Allen? It was my first target 22, I bought it in '86. I then bought a Douglas XX barrel blank, milled it 1 1/16" octagon (wider that the receiver) and a SAMMI match chamber. "It will shoot" as they say on Forged in Fire It was also the first rifle that i breech seated. Frank

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