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Feb 4th, 2017 at 8:12am
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Won this at a local auction last night. Pretty rough shape and no numbers visible.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 8:18am
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looks like the remains of a Spencer
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 9:07am
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butt / plate should have a hole up through it for the tubular magazine    popular in the civil war and thousands released as surplus shortly afterwards.    problem was it was mostly in a 44 rimfire cartridge  which limited its long term utility.


not sure but it seems to me that a 44 centerfire with typical bullets of the era , with a stacked tubular magazine in the butt, might have been one reason it never made the transition successfully
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 9:24am
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Has the tube plug in, I soaked it with PB Blaster to see if it would loosen up.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 10:02am
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Actually most were 56-56 rimfire; not 44 rimfire as someone mentioned.  There was a "sporting" rifle made which was 46 fimfire.  Many were converted to 56-50 after the Civil War and sent west for the Indian wars.  Centerfire conversion is simple with a replacement drop-in breech block.  Fun to shoot.  Horrible trigger pull.  Not noted for great accuracy either, but plenty of fire power in 1860's.   Still, fun to shoot.

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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 5:07pm
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My great-grandfather bought one (.56-50) and 3 bushels of cartridges for less than $5 when he came to this country in 1880.  He used it in his slaughterhouse.  It stayed in use until 1954, when my grandfather retired from the custom butchering business.  If it was cleaned, it was not often.  I was a freshman in high school when my grandfather sold the remaining cartridges (one bushel of them) for $100, which was about 5 % of the price of a new Chevy.

My uncle took the Spencer into the wilds of the UP.  We never saw it again.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 5:30pm
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Spencer Carbine aka "The Horizontal Shot Tower"
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 5:34pm
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ABSOLUTLY CORRECT George  I KNEW that, but I'm recovering from some minor surgery so we can blame it on the meds Grin Grin  Had some interesting typos too. 

   I must have been thinking of the fact that it and the Henry were the two that were successful deployed in  any quantity during the C.W. and the Spencer was probably the one with the greatest numbers.    I suspect it was the quick reload magazine tube.   but it never took off much after the war.-----and thinking about why.

were any of the larger bore single shot chambered for the spencer round?


  

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Reply #8 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 6:23pm
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If anyone has ever noticed the resemblance between the Spencer's lock and the Peabody's, I can tell you that the mainsprings will interchange. I haven't had the two locks side by side to compare but it wouldn't surprise me if they both came from the same source.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 8:01pm
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I suspect it was the quick reload magazine tube.

While the Henry held more rounds and was quicker to cycle, the Spencer, especially with a box full of Blakesley reloaders, may very likely have been technically quicker to reload.  However, most authorities claim the Henry's real performance bugaboo was the ease with which its open, under-barrel magazine could become dirt-clogged, bent, or otherwise if only temporarily inoperative.  Still, it was the Henry that earned the name "That damned Yankee rifle ...".  And of course it was also the Henry that provided the initial basis for the Winchester company.

If anyone has ever noticed the resemblance between the Spencer's lock and the Peabody's ....


I've never examined a Providence hammer-action Peabody, but I can opine both from reading and direct comparison that at least several lock parts were either subcontracted from Sharps or supplied by a subcontractor that Sharps and Spencer (and maybe Peabody?) shared.

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