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Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 7:53am
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Yep, that is one of mine. I never had trouble with that style not having enough mechanical advantage to seat a bullet and I have used one for years to breech seat a .40 caliber Hepburn. If your bullet(that you want to breech seat) does not fit into the case simply cut off the case and drop the bullet into the chamber and follow up with the seater and it will work.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 10:15am
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Are you still making your breech seater Ken?
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 11:44am
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Vall, I may make more some day in the future. but not right now. Thanks for your interest.
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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I have the same problem with a HI-WALL in 38-55. The barrel is .380 but the chamber is for a 375 Winchester. I got a breach seater like the one pictured with the rifle. Since I couldn't breach seat in a BPCR match I modified the seater to seat the loaded cartridge. The long brass section you see in the picture was part of a shower fixture. I didn't bother to remove the threads on the brass tube since they didn't interfere with the use of the tool. If the tool was marked it was on the other brass tube.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 7:05pm
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Well I tried my old push seater just to see how hard a bullet might seat. Was surprised that they seated quite easily, so until I can get or make a seating tool with leverage, I'll begin working up loads using the push seater. 
I like cool/easy shooting tools though, so can't see using the push seater for long.
  

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Reply #20 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:23am
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LONG RANGE wrote on Feb 12th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
Since I couldn't breach seat in a BPCR match I modified the seater to seat the loaded cartridge.

Why not? 
The shooter that finished 3rd in the 'BPCR Eastern Nat'l' at Ridgway last year not only breech-seated, but did so with PP bullets. Talk about having your routine down pat while on the line................
  

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Reply #21 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 2:56pm
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SSShooter wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:23am:
[quote author=6C6F6E677F72616E6765200 link=1486065345/21#21 date=1486936491]Since I couldn't breach seat in a BPCR match I modified the seater to seat the loaded cartridge.

Why not? 
The shooter that finished 3rd in the 'BPCR Eastern Nat'l' at Ridgway last year not only breech-seated, but did so with PP bullets. Talk about having your routine down pat while on the line................  The BPCR match at the range in which it was held only allowed us two firing positions so we were limited in time. To breach seat would take too long. It was a great match. We fired at a steel buffalo target at 200 yards one shot at a time. The steel buffalo was of course reduced in size. The match started at 9:00 AM and lasted until about noon. We fired six rounds using any position you liked, one shot at a time until each shooter had fired his six shots. If you were the only one to knock over the buffalo six times, you won. If there were more than one to hit all six then you had to shoot off hand until one missed. Those tying for second would also have to shoot off hand until one missed and so it went down the line. It was a great match because you got to shoot a black powder match without loading one or two hundred rounds. We lost the match when we lost the range. Very sad.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 4:07pm
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If you get all your "ducks" in a row, a inline seater can be competitive. 

You need to have the right taper to the bullet, for the throat that your using. It doesn't work for cylindrical bullets very well, unless you have a long freebore. You also need a well made push seater, that fits well.

This 5, five shot result was was shot with a standard (SAMMI) chamber and a Ron Long mold, in a 16 twist HW. It wasn't a record, in those days but, was to far off of the one at the time.

Although this rifle was very accurate, my 32/35 always had a edge on it and in those days, I  used a inline seater for it, too but, it has a freebore and a long leade.

The mechanical seater is at it's best with molds that are harder to seat, especially when using cylindrical, over size or harder alloys.

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Reply #23 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 6:28pm
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Not trying to be argumemative but there are different levels of competiiiveness depending on the competitors you are competing against and the number there of for a given match. All though an inline seater might be considered competitive by some it is not at all representive of what the top competitors attending the larger matches across the nation are currently using for a very valid reason. When taking all the above into serious consideration it is easier for one to more fully understand how it's use can be very miss-leading. The name of the game is still the same achieving exacting repeatability and a push seater is simply not real conducive of accomplishing that specific task and that is why you don't see them being used more in the higher levels of extremely competitive competitions.
This would also hold true for those who are simply trying to reach extremely high and non competitive goals that they have set and are now trying to reach simply for their own personal satisfaction, enjoyment of it all and a different appreciation and love of their breech seating single shot rifles than that of a serious competitior. I also hold this group in high regard and I continue to do what I can to help them achieve those goals more so behind the scenes and on a more personal, less confusing and a non miss-leading basis.

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Reply #24 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 8:32pm
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Quarter_Bore wrote on Feb 3rd, 2017 at 7:53am:
Yep, that is one of mine. I never had trouble with that style not having enough mechanical advantage to seat a bullet and I have used one for years to breech seat a .40 caliber Hepburn. If your bullet(that you want to breech seat) does not fit into the case simply cut off the case and drop the bullet into the chamber and follow up with the seater and it will work.

Ken - if you decide to make another run of breech-seaters, let me know. My Hepburn could use one, as well.
  

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Reply #25 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 10:00pm
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JLouis wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

This would also hold true for those who are simply trying to reach extremely high and non competitive goals that they have set and are now trying to reach simply for their own personal satisfaction, enjoyment of it all and a different appreciation and love of their breech seating single shot rifles than that of a serious competitior. I also hold this group in high regard and I continue to do what I can to help them achieve those goals more so behind the scenes and on a more personal, less confusing and a non miss-leading basis.

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That last part sort of describes my shooting John. I first want to learn, and then also want to learn to do it better. I doubt I'll compete, except against my past shooting scores. But I do feel great when my targets look good, and groups get smaller. Thanks!
  

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Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 10:58pm
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You are very welcome Vall and that is the same approach I take everytime I get out to shoot if in a match or otherwise.

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Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:44am
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westerner wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 8:52pm:
I won the Modesto regional once using a improvised plug seater Russ Weber loaned me after being robbed at Modesto. Here's another picture of Chuck and his 250 he shot using a plug seater. Sorry Lewis but those are facts. You cannot score higher than 250 on our targets.


Those plugged seaters make 250s for me too.  Even forgot and shot 10 shots in the 5 shot 200 yd group target at Springfield  one year.  Won it shooting against Hochs with BR stocks, good seaters and top shooters using a plugged seater  Grin  Just one less moving part to keep maintained and greased.
  

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Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:53am
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Sounds good to me Joe so just go with the story that sounds good to you.
  

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Reply #29 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:18am
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 3:44am:
[quote author=3725333425322E2532400 link=1486065345/29#29 date=1487037171]

Those plugged seaters make 250s for me too.  Even forgot and shot 10 shots in the 5 shot 200 yd group target at Springfield  one year.  Won it shooting against Hochs with BR stocks, good seaters and top shooters using a plugged seater  Grin  Just one less moving part to keep maintained and greased.


I was up at Tacoma watching a match some years back, and saw a fella breech seating with a push seater and using a rubber mallet to drive the bullets into the bore. Seemed a bit harsh at the time, and I have often wondered if it was normal to have to drive bullets into the bore that way?
  

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