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Jan 31st, 2017 at 8:30am
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Anyone cast with one of Accurate's aluminum molds? If so, can you provide your melt/pot temp and how you get the mold to temp and keep it there? Not having much luck with mine.
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Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:40am
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Mine is a lee pot and temp varies all over the place but I generally shoot for around 725 depending on alloy and how much metal is left in it.  The main thing that helps me is to scrub the mold cavity clean with Dawn and a toothbrush then spray with brake cleaner and dry.  To maintain mold temp I lay the mold down on a hotplate  while cutting sprue and and emptying the mold. Sometimes you can leave the mold on top of the pot or even dipped in it but the plate works for me so far.  Plus I don't have to worry about my bumbling hands knocking the mold off and showering everything down with lead.  You might drift over to the Cast Boolit forum and see what some of those guys say.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:41am
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I don't have an Accurate mold but have cast for years with a NEI aluminum mold and most recently with a 25 cal NOE aluminum mold. Both took longer that others to break in so they filled out properly.  Maybe  the aluminum retained cutting fluids longer.  My current pot maxes out at 800 or so degrees. I cast at about 800 with the 25 mold and smoke the cavities with old birthday cake candles. It still took a few hundred bullets to now get keepers on the first cast from a pre-heated mold.  I now run about 750 degrees. 


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Reply #3 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 11:47am
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If so, can you provide your melt/pot temp and how you get the mold to temp and keep it there?

* Mold on stove gas burner to heat up
* Thermometer in pot - bring temperature to 730 degrees
* Ladle pour: 5 second pour and 5-8 seconds for the sprue puddle to frost
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 11:49am
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Pretty much for the most part I run my alloy at 725. I have several aluminum molds both accurate and NEI. I have found the best thing to do is to smoke them with a butane lighter, the easiest to use is the grill lighters with the long neck. You shouldn't use a candle because that will cary oils in the smoke and prevent your mold from running right. You may want to give your molds a very good scrubbing and re smoke them with something that will give them a good clean carbon coating. 
To preheat the molds I just set them on the edge of the pot while it warms up and am usually ready to go in a few bullets.
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 12:00pm
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I also don't have an Accurate aluminum mold, but have several other brands in aluminum. I keep the temps up, but I also keep the casting process going pretty quick. If I stop to sort or do anything else, I simply knock the sprue off, but leave the bullet in the mold, so it keeps it hot. Then drop the bullet and continue casting. Unless I stop for a very long time, leaving the bullet in the mold has always been enough to keep the mold warm.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2017 at 1:01pm
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Been a long time since I used aluminum mold but best remember I smoked it with a match an cast fast. Used a damp towel to cool sprue plate or it would smear lead or pull a chunk out.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 6:51pm
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What's working for me (finally) is to get the mold too hot and then let it cool by casting. With the aluminum it only takes 2-3 bullets to get it down to the proper casting temp. Then cast as quickly as I can to keep it hot. The biggest problem is the sprue-plate will overheat and the puddle takes a while to 'frost'.

What was interesting to me is how big a heat-sink the aluminum mold is. I set my molds in the edge of the pot with the handle going across, above the melt, to the other side. I usually let the bottom edge of the mold nearest the center of the melt just touch or stay just above the melt. With the aluminum mold when it was just touching the melt I couldn't get the melt temp above 745F. Too much heat loss radiating through the alumium mold blocks. I raised the blocks about 1/32" above the melt and the pot returned to my normal casting temp of 775F in fairly short order.
  

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What kind of pot?  Is 775 as high as it will go?
  

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Lee Magnum 20#. Easily goes to 825F (hottest I've had it). It was easy to see how well the aluminum was transferring the heat as the sprue-plate turned a tempered blue.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 8:25pm
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When my lead temperatures get that hot I find I get galling from the lead when I open the sprue cut off. Eventually it begins to damage the mold top, and sprue plate. Then I have to stop, disassemble, and polish both mold blocks and sprue plate before I can return to casting.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 8:37pm
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I have only owned one aluminum mould in the past 16 years and all though cheap I could not use it or give it away! I have since learned how to make my own blocks and cut my own moulds to what ever my little heart desires. This is one of five I recently cut for my 28-35SS that I have yet to try and I only do this for myself and very close friends for the sake of learning and sharing what one cannot readily buy for a 12 Twist.

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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 8:49pm
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I have a lot of aluminum molds. My first was a NEI that I ordered with a 38 & 45 cal cavitys in the same blocks.

They can be challenging at first but, after they are well broke in, they cast like a dream. I used the NEI Mold Prep when I got the mold and it helps a lot. The mold prep is mosting graphite. 

The only precausion that you need to take is, DON'T cut the sprue to early, it makes a mess and can damamge the top of the mold.

If I have a choice, I get brass or iron but, aluminum makes as good a bullets as any other, common metal. I'd love to have one of those nickel mold, made in the 30's though Smiley But, then I'm a mold addict.

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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 9:03pm
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Glenn,  You said it before I could volunteer my experience: "What's working for me (finally) is to get the mold too hot and then let it cool by casting. With the aluminum it only takes 2-3 bullets to get it down to the proper casting temp. Then cast as quickly as I can to keep it hot. The biggest problem is the sprue-plate will overheat and the puddle takes a while to 'frost'".   That's about what I've found.   

I've still got maybe five Accurates and sold two after getting rid of my 45Colt.   I'll keep all but a 45-70 I'm gonna sell but that sprue is a problem I've not conquered yet.  Smear or tear.  Heck of a choice!  If you get that one figured please shoot me a PM.  I've done just about everything every one has ever offered.   I get good cuts but way to many of the other!   And that Sprue will gauld the snot out of your mold (and sprue plate) if you don't use something like Frankford spray between the too surfaces.   If you don't count the sprue dimples & pimples the weight comes with a decent spread.   Also, if you adjust your sprue keeper and the sprue plate bolt, be sure to back the keeper out all the way first and ensure there is a brass cushion under it.  The last two I ordered did not though Tom said they did.   Good way to bugger the threads fast.     He drills a good hole and they drop from it nice, you can say that much for sure.   Used to think I liked them better but that was then and I hadn't used good steel moulds yet, nor my LBTs.   Just got my first brass mould so that will be a new experience.  Course I've still got a lot to learn compared to you fellows.
  

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Re: Casting With An Aluminum Mold
Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 9:03pm
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It has been a long time since I cast with an aluminum mold.  I cast 1000s of Zimmer-X Long Range BP bullets in the mold NEI made for me.  I don't recall having any trouble.  I always get steel or brass if possible.

I cast a little hot and have to watch the sprue and mold top closely for signs of trouble.
  

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