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Reply #60 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 12:40am
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Might be a little OT here, Some of you New Yorkers may remember Karl Emers which was a German delicatessen featuring all sorts of meats, sausages,labercase, breads. Easy to drop some good money in there. Always came home with a big bag of goodies. After I got married still went there but the girls wouldn't eat any of the cold cuts, labercase, or the sausages. And I know for a fact they didn't get that from me. No Karl Emers down south like where I live now. Some of the stores would ship your favorits to you when you placed an order. Did that a few times but outside of me or the wife the kids wouldn't touch any of it. Hand them some cheese and macaronie and it's feeding time at the zoo. I rear where the Carnegie Deli in NYC was supposed to be going out of business. They made a corned beef sandwhich which was to die for. Katz's also had some great food. Problem the land is so valuable for apartments that it is cheaper to bulldoze the site and build whatever the land will be used. Frank
  
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Reply #61 - Feb 4th, 2017 at 4:00pm
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I want to add a map to the post of the garnison schützenhaus near Stuttgart.

I compared an old map (1886) with the current situation on goo-maps (2014) satellite view.

Back then, they had nine firepoints with soil dikes between. And trees all around. Eight fire points on 400 meters and one on 300 meters. The schützenhaus building is on the right, I draw a blue line around.

On the right, there are roads shaped like a fork. The straight “middle finger” of the fork goes to the “powder magazine”, where they had stored all the powder back then. The other buildings around the main building were sheds and barns, and a family house for the official military range keeper. 

Since the early 1970s the property is used as a cemetery. To the left there is another old cemetery, eight times bigger than this site. But the shooters round Stuttgart were not out of a long distance range, because just one mile distant there is the club range of the Stuttgarter Schützengilde.
  

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Reply #62 - Feb 6th, 2017 at 4:14pm
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Would like to see more of these old photos. Thanks for posting them. What a grand time to be alive and involved in the shooting sports.

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Reply #63 - Feb 8th, 2017 at 6:29pm
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I decided to show you the range at Prien close to the Chiemsee (Lake Chiemsee), which is also called the "Bavarian Sea", because its the biggest lake in Bavaria. Very nice region, very close to the Alps. Land created by God, the Bavarians say.

This year, the schuetzen club celebrates the 400 years jubilée with some matches and parade and schützenfest and so on. 

This range was build in 1936, after they lost their range downtown. The old range was way to close to the growing town, so they had to find another place for the new range.

Back then, they had 16 fire points on 130 meters. Nowadays they have just the short distance of 50 meters where they shoot smallbore and muzzle loader rifles. And they have a lot of fire points for 10 meters indoor for air rifle. Even a pistol indoor range with four fire points on 25 meters with an enlargement to 50 meters small bore rifle.

Each year in April they held their annual zimmerstutzen match, they like the tradition. And: they rent rooms for shooters too (or tourists). 
Even westerner shot at this range.
  

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Reply #64 - Feb 8th, 2017 at 7:56pm
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Four hundred years! That sort of thing won't start happening around these parts for, well, over 200 years. Amazing. 
Thanks for these great tidbits.
  
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Reply #65 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 7:29am
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Love the three photo progression of the building. It appears as though it will be active for a century to come. Thank you for posting them. 

At my home club/range we are planning our 80th year celebration this year. That club is the Pine Tree Rifle Club of Johnstown New York. We are not 400 years old but we can brag a bit about we are the club that started modern organized  benchrest shooting back in 1947 under the guidance of Harvey Donaldson and Co. Townsend Whelen. Those early matches lead to the sport becoming international. We now know the sport and organization as International Benchrest Shooting. There has been several world records shot on our range and one still stands some 34 years after being established. Doctor Richard Maretzo shooting a 6MM PPC fired 10 shots at a distance of 100 yards into a group that measured .119". 

Didn't mean to hijack your thread. Just proud of our club and really enjoy the photos you've posted here.

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Reply #66 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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There ya go Sendaro, I earlier mused that the stuff Biggi is presenting could be made into a sticky with the additions, as recieved, added.
Now, you have made me think that those who belong to a long-time American club could have one, or a part of the original thread. It'd make for a better understanding of the sport. 
I don't live where there are any longstanding shooting clubs (unless shooting the s--t is included), but I find it quite interesting. I know all three of the names you mentioned.
  
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Reply #67 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:23pm
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Thanks for the nice words about my work for this thread.

The more encouragement, the more pics…   Wink   

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Reply #68 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 6:24pm
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I think this post card shows a regular summer Sunday at the range in Liebenau (Bohemia) approx. 1900-1910. While the husbands are at the fire points, the wives and kids are around, listening to the classical music in the pavilion and having small talk. 

Before WWI, Bohemia belonged to the K.u.K Austria-Hungary monarchy. Nowadays the village is at the border Austria and Czech Republic. 

For sure, this range back then was just for the high society of the town. Regular workers were not shooters at all. Shooting was the society event for the highest social class. 
  

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Reply #69 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 7:01pm
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Nice work Biggi.  Keep 'em coming!
  

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Reply #70 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 8:20pm
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Encouragement, Biggi, Encouragement!!
Please, keep em' coming!!     Smiley
  

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Reply #71 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:29pm
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Found another good example what happened to old schützenhouses in eastern Germany.

The schützengilde of Stendal (west of Berlin) was founded in 1483, but shooters can be proofed since 1305 to defend the town in case of an attack. Back then they used a crossbow.

They were famous for their big schützenfests, each year in May/June. From 1698 till 1939 (begin of WWII) they celebrated the schützenfest, just with a break during the years of WWI (1914-1918). After WWI they restarted with the famous schützenfest in 1924, after the big inflation years.

Like already reported, after WWII it was forbidden to shoot in the GDR era, no traditional schützen clubs. They used the building for decades as a youth club. 

The upper post card shows the situation ca. 1900, big place with ball room, beergarden restaurant and the range. I used a kind of magnifying glass and cropped and enlarged the main schützenhaus in the top picture. The bottom post card shows the same building in 1976, when it was used as a socialistic youth club.

The house was torn down in 1998, after the Iron Curtain was gone. And now you ask why they destroyed so many old buildings over there? Well, the politics in the GDR was, when it came to old buildings, that they didn’t care for old buildings when the socialists took over all eastern Germany in 1945. They did not invest money to keep old buildings. They wanted to get rid of history, wasted the buildings and houses till there was no chance anymore to rescue the whole thing. So it was easy to run over with bulldozers and build modern housing areas afterwards.

All this traditional shooting stuff, ranges for the privileged society, strange rituals of shooting kings, and, and, and, didn’t match the socialist ideas. So most of all the schützenhouses were in use for other events (if the building survived the bombs of WWII), clubs, companies, political party monuments – but never ever for this the range was built for decades ago.
  

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Reply #72 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:34am
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Here is a nice rural range in the woods north of Augsburg, west Bavaria. The club was founded in 1610, but went “hibernating” in the mid 1800s. In 1903 they re-founded the club and built the range. They got a permit from the authorities to sell beer there, but just for shooters and club members. No regular tavern. 

When they wanted to celebrate the 300 years jubilee with club members and shooters by special invitation in June 1910, the Lech river had high tide and the whole site was flooded. So they had to postpone the celebration.

In 1927 they had a dedication celebration for their new banner flag, then the track disappears. In the 1930 during nazi era, they stopped shooting and restarted in the 1950s with air rifle. They merged with two zimmerstutzen-clubs of the same town. The feuerstutzen range was lost, couldn’t find any information what happened to the place.

On the post card (right bottom corner) one can see the installation to shoot on a "running wildbore". The wooden bore was installed on a rail track and moved from right to left. So they practiced hunter shooting.
  

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Reply #73 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 1:23pm
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That's a cool place that was probably a lot of fun to shoot at. 
On a separate note (thread drift Roll Eyes) I remembered your fried sauerkraut photo from a while ago. Had to try that! So, I got the bacon, onion, kraut all gathered. Looked on the intermutt for directions and ended up adding chopped apples. And, since I was winging it, I tossed in some smoked sausage slices too. Probably missed your recipe by a mile, but we agreed that it was darn good. Thanks for the nudge to cook, and the history.
  
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Reply #74 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 3:45pm
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westerner wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
Neat thread, Biggi.

Maybe you need to start a Bavarian cuisine thread?


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Did the old German Schützenhouses ever have any special Bavarian Schützen cuisine?
  

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