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Hard cast in a 45-110
Jan 24th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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Sold a C. Sharps couple years back to a fellow I know who is a more than competent BP reloader. The rifle always shot very well for me But I believe I only shot it with PPBs/greasecookies/Swiss. He struggled with it and had trouble getting any better than 15 inch groups at 50 yds using BP and lead. Finally sent it back to me so I can find it another home but in the interim I decided to do some testing. First I loaded 10 rds of some 325gr Hornady FTX jacketed bullets with 5744. Shot into one ragged hole at 50 yds. I next loaded some 325gr hard cast bullet with 5744. That created 50 yds groups like my friend experienced.  My next step will be GG bullets and Swiss.
  

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 6:50pm
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I have a C. Sharps 1874 in .45-110 that also shoots paper patched bullets very well.   I never got it to shoot grease grooved bullets nearly as well.  Based on chamber casts I did later with other CSA rifles, I should probably have tried a really fat bullet.  At least 0.460".

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13am
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15 inches at 50 yards is probably a bigger problem than the ammo  Roll Eyes
  

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm
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Since the gun shoots jacketed with smokeless and PPB's with black it think it is precisely an ammo problem.

Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13am:
15 inches at 50 yards is probably a bigger problem than the ammo  Roll Eyes

  

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:33pm
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SchwarzStock wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Since the gun shoots jacketed with smokeless and PPB's with black it think it is precisely an ammo problem.

Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13am:
15 inches at 50 yards is probably a bigger problem than the ammo  Roll Eyes


Same shooter?
  

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
SchwarzStock wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Since the gun shoots jacketed with smokeless and PPB's with black it think it is precisely an ammo problem.

Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 25th, 2017 at 2:13am:
15 inches at 50 yards is probably a bigger problem than the ammo  Roll Eyes


Same shooter?


Yup, same shooter.

I quit shooting 45 caliber (too small) a couple of years back and now shoot mostly 50-70 and 50-90. Was looking to buy some bullets for working with this gun but happened on two boxes of 500gr, 45 caliber bullets from Moyer with SPG lube that were hidden away. I'll give those a go this weekend. Probably load them with a 5gr charge of 5744 as a kicker to control the fouling.

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Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 12:40am
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Guess I misunderstood.  Thought there might be a good shot and a lesser shot involved  or too much recoil Cheesy
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:30am
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The lesson to be learned don't use anything with antimony in it. stay away from cast bullets in a bag at the gun show. 

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Reply #8 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 5:41pm
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40_Rod wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:30am:
The lesson to be learned don't use anything with antimony in it. stay away from cast bullets in a bag at the gun show. 

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If you don't use antimony how will you get a bullet hard enough to take the lands, not fill the grooves with lead, and prevent the bullet from slumping on ignition?

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #9 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:28pm
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Most of the LR shooters in the NW shot wheel weights or WW/lead mix back in the 80s before BPCR became a national fad. I used 50/50. 

Today most of them are contaminated with zinc.  You will never forget it if you get zinc contamination!  Embarrassed

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 8:14am
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It's not just hardness you need ductility also. Take one of those things with antimony and crush it in a vice notice how it crumbles and fractures? That’s exactly what the base is doing when you fire them. As far as nose slump you can have the luxury of having them slump after you drop them from the mold as antimony alloys go through a slushy stage and slowly attain full hardness. You can just lay them on their side and the nose will dip.
As far as Linotype and wheel weights, I can find at least 3 different formulas for lino and wheel weights are just pot metal now you have no idea at all what is in them. Use pure tin and pure lead that’s the way to know what you are shooting. 

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Re: Hard cast in a 45-110
Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 12:45pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 26th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
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BTW, everyone shot duplex in those days. Straight BP didn't work  Roll Eyes


I use duplex here in Southern AZ because of the lack of humidity especially in the summer. Sure I could blow or swab after every shot but I prefer to not do that.

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