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Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:57pm
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I have an Ideal powder measure with a No. it is marked Ideal MFG. Co New Haven CT Pat AUG. 16 92, it has a wood handle and a 9" tin powder hopper, I believe its a No1 but I am not sure I have a No5 and No6 but they are marked this  one is not marked wondering what I have?
  
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Re: Ideal No.1 Powder Measure
Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 6:14pm
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That's what it is, and you're lucky that fragile tin hopper hasn't been lost, as they often are.  Also frequently lost is the polished steel fitting that might be called a drop-tube if it were longer.  The original '92 model lacked the small slide with 1 g. graduations that was added in '99--the slide itself, if you have this model, should be marked with the '99 pat. date; Ideal called it the No. 1 Improved. 

Used mine for loading BP, when I still used that nasty stuff, and thought it was smoother in operation than a No. 5.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 5:54pm
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Thanks for the info
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm
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What is the difference with the #1 measure from the later (?) #5?
What makes is seem smoother? A picture would help here, since I'm unfamiliar with the model. Just curious, ya know..............
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:13pm
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calledflyer wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 6:29pm:
What is the difference with the #1 measure from the later (?) #5?
What makes is seem smoother? A picture would help here, since I'm unfamiliar with the model. Just curious, ya know..............


Mine are put up in boxes that I'm not anxious to dig out. Mainly the big wooden knob on the #1 rotor handle that makes throwing a charge seem smoother, and the handle is a little longer for more leverage.  #5 is much more compact.  Design of the drop tube on the 5 is better, however.  #1 didn't really use a drop tube, although one could easily be fabricated to attach to it.   

  
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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:28pm
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So, were the slides like the ordinary kind, or the so-called micrometer slides?  And a tin hopper instead of the one piece cast body, eh? I have seen wooden knobs on the handle, but could have been add-on.
  Thanks for the info. I've never seen one that I can recall- but then, I've overlooked lots of things besides powder measures. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:45pm
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Here is a pictorial on the #1 & #5.

Note that the early #1 (with the replacement brass hopper) has a round knob that locks the slide. It it operates a enternal wedge lock. The later one, with the original type, iron tube hopper, uses the thumb adjustment, that carried over to the #5. The right hand, #5 is the micrometer slide type, that came out in the '30's. It didn't replace the thumb adjustment, it was a extra cost option. The thumb adjustment, gave way to the screw type adjustment, that is still used today.

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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 9:07pm
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Thank ya very much, Frank. I guess I got a lot for my nickel here from the lot of ya. Learned something fun today.  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 9:39pm
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Frank,  Do your #1s have the polished cylinders (I don't know what else to call them) that attach to the bottom of the measure?

I once heard that someone was making a repro of the tin hopper, complete with crimped seam, but damned if I remember who it was.  Luckily, I didn't need them, so didn't follow the story up.
  
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Re: Ideal No.1 Powder Measure
Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:24pm
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My No. 1 has the early tin hopper, and the cylinder appears to have once been polished brass. It's dark, and has some scratches form powder now. My two #5's from the two locations Ideal made them, both have steel cylinders and appear to be very highly finished, as is my #6 duplex Ideal.

A note on the early tin hopper No. 1 that nobody has mentioned. They did not come with a lid like later powder measures all had.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:42pm
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Clarence,
If your talking about the spout area, they have nothing like that, nor can I find anything else that might be a cylinder.

My original type hopper was give to me by one of our forum members that had them made.

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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 11:15am
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:42pm:
Clarence,
If your talking about the spout area, they have nothing like that, nor can I find anything else that might be a cylinder.

Frank
 

This is what it looks like:  (One on left is a repro I had copied from the one on right, which came with my #1.)
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:44pm
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No, I don't have anything like that. 

The spout has a rather large hole in it and is machined on the outside, then it tapers down to the hole at about 45 deg. The inside seems to have slight a taper to it. I tried a 32/40 case into it and it fit very well. I then put a 30 cal case in and it went in farther and it also fit well. I just tried a 25/20 case in it and it dosen't touch anything. I don't have any 38/55 cases so, I'm not sure if they will fit the outside taper but, I think they will.

My guess on your cylinder is that it was for use on small caliber cases, maybe even the 32/40 and smaller. It may have even been a Ideal after market item, as when the measure first came out, 38 cal was probably the most common small caliber.

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Re: Ideal No.1 Powder Measure
Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 2:07pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 12:44pm:
It may have even been a Ideal after market item, as when the measure first came out, 38 cal was probably the most common small caliber.

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The #1 illustration in the Ideal catalog shows the thing attached to the measure.  Very odd, however, that it alone was left unpainted.   
  
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