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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1845 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #15 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	If possible could you post a full view for the two. My hat is off to you for you great work. Happy Holidays to all!


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1412 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #16 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	That is amazing........ JMH


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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 575 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #17 - Dec 25^th, 2016 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	I started a new thread on this forum showing the rifle pictures I wish Westerner would post more info concerning the Ruger. In the late 1970's I added side plates to a #1 for Don Allen. The plates I added were just dummy plates for, if I remember correctly, engraving surface. Only thing I dont care much for on the Ruger posted here is the screws in the plate. IMO the screw should have the head on the other side of the gun. I would also like to know if in fact the hammer is actually functional which I believe it is and then a picture of the other side of the action would be nice to see.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #18 - Dec 26^th, 2016 at 9:12am	Print Post
	I'm guessing the hammer "functions", but probably still uses the striker internally to actually fire the gun.

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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 575 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #19 - Dec 26^th, 2016 at 9:42am	Print Post
	I agree Vall that the hammer probably swings forward but the question is does it function in firing the gun. If still using the factory hammerless mechanism then I would ask why go to all the work. If you need a side hammer to compete why not just buy a 1874 Sharps replica. I am hoping it actual does fire the gun because that would be neat and cool. The basic look of the rifle, other then my one comment, is pretty nice. I still have one 1877 Sharp hammer that I should use on something.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #20 - Dec 26^th, 2016 at 9:51am	Print Post
	I sure don't see any way that hammer could strike anything to fire the Ruger? But as for why, it's likely the builder wanted to make something that would get people scratching their heads. Plus be able to shoot it in matches that require an exposed hammer. I've seen guys spend a lot of time building things that make me scratch my head and ask, "Isn't there an easier or cheaper way?" But the answer is that they usually just love building something that nobody else has.

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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 575 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2016 at 9:33am	Print Post
	If they are using the "factory" firing mechanism and also the massive side hammer swinging forward, that would seriously degrade the lock time. People would be curious but lose interest quickly in the failed design. I think the side hammer fires the gun, IMO. The breechblock would have to be remade but that certainly isn't that big of a deal once a design had been realized. Add a Sharps style firing pin and you have it. But, the why is my question???? Westener, can you provide more information concerning the what, how and who of the rifle?


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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 575 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2016 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	The work seems to be of good quality so one just has to wonder why? That was not a 5 minute job so seems to be a waste of good workmanship. The pistol would be a worthy project but again if just for show what would be the purpose? I had a fine custom rifle I built in 416 Rigby and it did do a good job of keeping Elephants off my street but when I finally realized I did not actual have that much of an interest to go to Africa I sold immediately.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2016 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	Obviously because he could and to make us wonder "Why?" Basically the same reason I have thought about making a flintlock in the form of an AR to take to a ML match

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #24 - Dec 28^th, 2016 at 11:50am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 27^th, 2016 at 9:46am: The hammer is non functional. I don't know the reason why. There is a slight cut in the top corner of the BB for effect. The owner/gunsmith has a sense of humor. He is currently building a Howdah pistol. We assume the tigers and elephant are on order. Trophy tigers, that is. Why did E.J.Potter (the original Michigan Madman) stuff a 350 smallblock sideways into a beefed-up Harley frame and take it to the drags? To blow a few minds....and it's working, innit?

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Ray_Newman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 274 Location: Washington State Joined: Jul 13^th, 2004	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #25 - Dec 28^th, 2016 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	About 20 plus years ago, a fellow Shooter gave me some old copies of Precision Shooting. One issue had an article about a Ruger #1 converted to a functioning side hammer. For some reason, a .30-40 calibre sticks in my mind. The gunsmith doing the work said it was a one-of-a-kind job as the amount of work involved was too much to do again and would be too expensive.

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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #26 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Ray_Newman wrote on Dec 28^th, 2016 at 8:29pm: About 20 plus years ago, a fellow Shooter gave me some old copies of Precision Shooting. One issue had an article about a Ruger #1 converted to a functioning side hammer. For some reason, a .30-40 calibre sticks in my mind. The gunsmith doing the work said it was a one-of-a-kind job as the amount of work involved was too much to do again and would be too expensive. I think you're recalling a side-lever custom rifle, not a side hammer example. That beautiful rifle was put together by (I believe) Steven Dodd Hughes and another talented fellow whose name escapes me.


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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 575 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #27 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	I believe you may be correct and it is in Steven's book. The guy who made it, name starts with M if i remember. I have the book and can look it up if I must. I personally thought what a lot of work to do to get to a poor example of a Fraser. And when all said and done its still a Ruger.


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jy3855 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 368 Location: California Joined: Jul 13^th, 2015	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #28 - Dec 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	Relatively speaking, it seems to me (though I am neither a gunsmith nor a machinist) that converting a Ruger SS to a functional external side hammer would be easier than a side lever. I'd be loathe to give up the safety of the internal hammer and no gas or projectile rifle parts pathway to the shooter's face, if you have a firing pin path through the breech block.


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Rayzor450-400 Newbie Offline Posts: 2 Location: Roanoke Joined: Jan 5^th, 2017	Re: Rare Ruger side hammer prototype Reply #29 - Jan 5^th, 2017 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	I've seen similar conversions that also had Alex Henry type button releases. Person to me it was to make it BPCR legal as I recall. I had wanted a left Hammer conversion similar. Friend that showed them to me has now passed so I wouldn't know how to get info.


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