Aguila also made some "Sans Poudre" (with out powder) in the LR.   I have had some but not enough to justify testing for match accuracy.  used the 22 lr version for my "out-the-backdoor" practice   we are not allowed to shoot with in the village limits.   but with CBees or the "sans powders"  i can stand just inside--out of sight and shot through the open door.

On Feb. 18, 1889 Edgar Leopold was testing the then new 22 long rifle in a Maynard. He shot a match against a Winchester single shot in 22 short. The match was at 400 yards on the 400 yd NRA target by NRA rules at the time. To be fair to the 22 Short it was allowed to be shot at 300 yards on the 400 yd target. Leopold won the match with a score of 45 out of 50. No score was posted in Leopold's writings for the 22 Short. Someone must have thought it a capable round for that distance or they never would have entered a 22 Short in the match. The shooter of the Winchester was not identified.

A subsonic long rifle cartridge can be quieted down to the point that all you hear is the sound of the firing mechanism.  All it takes is a plastic oil bottle filled with fiberglass insulation taped to the muzzle. Accuracy is no doubt effected but not to the degree that is much of a detriment to short range, like shooting a gong out of your back door if you have the misfortune to live in a city. It would be best to use a gong that doesn't ring too loud if anyone wants to try it.

JS

Best wishes on the 300 yd test. I wonder what the drop is in the ballistic curve for a 22 short at that range.     Around here you'd have to pray and wait for a pretty stiff steady 6 o'clock wind   

Friend of mine shot pheasants out of the air about that far, out of shotgun range.

I shot a starling about 20 feet overhead dead center quick drawing.  Used a couple more boxes trying to duplicate it, but finally gave up.  Had to get home to start chores and do the milking. 

Schuetzenmiester wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:31am:


William Lyman's early advertisements for his first tang sight frequently included testimonials of their effectiveness for "shooting flying."   

I find the 400 & 300 yard story difficult to imagine.  A guy tried shooting .22 LR at long range in New Mexico a couple of years back.  He reported that 350 was about the end of any accuracy.  Anything beyond that was sheer luck.  The New Mexico trial had targets on a flat & dusty plain below the shooting point, so hits could be observed & sight settings corrected.

I tried .22 LR at 300 yards last year.   Once I had an aiming point, I could keep my shots on the WSU 200-yard target, large red side out.  The problem is that most sights do not have enough elevation to let you aim directly at the paper.

With my Unertl, the scope hit the barrel and ended any ability to adjust.  I need higher blocks.

I have a 1922 Springfield with a long slide on the Lyman 48.  IIRC, graduations on the slide go to 120.  I thought that would work, but the elevation screw came out of the sight base at 80.  Most frustrating.

When putting a tang sight on a single shot 22 rimfire, I always pick a Schuetzen or gallery model.  I will need to find a long range tang sight for the Shorts at 300 experiment.

marlinguy wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:


Am a little surprised they hit hard enough at that range even to hear the sound!  Actually, quite impressive.  Would like to try this myself, but lack such a range.