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Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:36am
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  Good morning all:
I purchased a #4 rolling Block .22 and would like to know when it was manufactured. There is a take down lever on the right side, but I am unable to find any serial numbers on barrel or receiver. 
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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 1:22pm
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Your #4 is the early model with the lever release.  It was introduced by Remington in approximately 1901.  The exact date is anyone's guess
FYI - Remington didn't serial number their rifles except for the REMINGTON NO 1 ROLLING BLOCK LONG-RANGE CREEDMOOR TARGET RIFLES
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 1:35pm
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Thank you for the information John.

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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:06pm
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Bill,
Look to see if you can find the serial number located on the underside of the barrel, in front of the tip of the forearm, near the caliber stamping.
You don't need to remove the forearm to see the serial number.
When Remington came out with the later version of the #4 takedown that used the knurled screwhead with coinslot protruding out fron the left side of the frame (about 1924), they moved the serial number from the barrel, to the left side of the frame just below the "Model 4" marking.
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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:38pm
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FYI - Remington didn't serial number their rifles except for the REMINGTON NO 1 ROLLING BLOCK LONG-RANGE CREEDMOOR TARGET RIFLES


My solid frame Grackle Gun (used solely to reduce numbers of grackles raiding my bird feeder) has one on the barrel:  #110xxx, so not even a really "low number."   
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:16pm
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Your #4 is the early model with the lever release.  It was introduced by Remington in approximately 1901.  The exact date is anyone's guess
FYI - Remington didn't serial number their rifles except for the REMINGTON NO 1 ROLLING BLOCK LONG-RANGE CREEDMOOR TARGET RIFLES


John Boy,
Where did you get the info on Remington serial numbers? Every #1 Rolling Block I own has a serial number, and I don't own a Creedmoor. My #1 1/2's and my #2's also have serial numbers. The #4 does indeed also have a serial number, but it is not on the frame! It is on the bottom of the barrel, just forward of the forearm wood. Right next to the caliber marking.

According to John Gyde' the first #4 was offered in the 1890 catalogs. He lists the first 10 years as solid frame, and the lever takedown being first offered in 1900. In 1924 the takedown lever was changed to a thumbscrew on the left side, and the octagon barrel was dropped, being replaced by round barrel. 

Age of your #4 can be narrowed down further by features, such as the escutcheon the stock bolt screws into, and rollstamp used on the barrel. Without more detail it will only be narrowed down to 1900-1924.
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm
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Vall, it is my understanding that the numbers on #1's are not serial numbers.  They represent "batch" numbers for frame productions when batches of rifles were put together for the contracts in process - usually on the lower or upper tang
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:20pm
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Vall, it is my understanding that the numbers on #1's are not serial numbers.  They represent "batch" numbers for frame productions when batches of rifles were put together for the contracts in process - usually on the lower or upper tang


For military contracts, I can believe it, but not commercial production.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:46am
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I have a solid frame No.4 with a serial number and it is 1050XX.


  
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Reply #9 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:59am
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They all have serial numbers, except for the military rifles.
  
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For military contracts, I can believe it, but not commercial production.
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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:15am
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Yes, a military Rolling Block is totally different, and agree that batch numbers aren't serial numbers. But I haven't seen a sporting rifle that didn't have a serial number somewhere yet, unless it was restored. My R. Evans engraved #4 was likely heavily pitted on the barrel, as the serial number and caliber are barely visible on the bottom flat.  No idea for sure what the whole number was, as parts aren't distinguishable.
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 1:16pm
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I should have posted in the original that the civilian Remington's are serial numbered in addition to the Creedmoors  Embarrassed ... My 32-20 #2 correction has one!
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Reply #13 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 2:28pm
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John Boy,
How did your #4 come to be chambered in 32-20?
The #2 was offered in 32-20 from the factory, but I've never heard of a #4 chambered for 32-20 by Remington.
Were the #4's ever sold as part of a military contract?
If so, that would be an interesting part of Remington history to learn about.
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:21pm
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BP, can I start all over? Cause I'm all screwed up!  Embarrassed Yes it's a #2 in 32-20 with a serial number. Might add, am proud to own it cause it's in about 95% antique condition
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Were the #4's ever sold as part of a military contract?

Good question:  The No 4-S Boy Scout marked Military Model thought to be used by military academies to train cadets were sold under contract.  Serial numbers or not = ?
No 1 military contracts that had serial numbers per Layman's book:
* Swedish rifles
* Norwegian 1860/1868
* Vatican rifles
* Whitney Laidley Carbines sold to the Montreal Police Dept
  
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