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Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:27am
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   Good morning:
I am trying to find information on reloading the 38 long. I have a #2 Sporting, Marlin Ballard chambered in 38 long with the reversible firing pin for rim fire or center fire. There are British proof marks on the barrel and one of them is .360. I am able to insert empty 38 special brass in the chamber and it fits nicely. I tried a lead .361 bullet for a 38 S&W in the barrel and it slides right through! 
  Donnelly's book on cartridge conversions shows a 375 bore size. Does the 38 long use a heeled bullet?   The man I bought it from said the previous owner fired 38 special wad cutter cartridges through it. I would think those bullets would  bounce around in the barrel! This rifle has a cast receiver, so I would be using light loads of Trail Boss  in my reloads.
Any help would be appreciated.
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         Bill.
    
  
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Re: 38 long
Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 2:51pm
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Yes, all of your conclusions are correct! You might shoot a .357" wadcutter bullet, but not accurately! A .38 Special case can be sized down to fit the chamber, but you will need a heeled bullet to fit your bore. I can't tell you what your bore is, but I can tell you it will likely end up around .375", as that's what mine is with a nearly perfect bore. My old Ideal mold drops a .376" bullet with a .356" heel. You will need to slug your bore to see for sure what it is, and then pick a mold to cast these.
NEI, Accurate, and other custom mold makers can build you a great mold. The twist rate is slow, so it needs to be around a 140 gr. to shoot well. I don't know anyone selling cast bullets, so if you don't cast, you'll probably need to start. 
You can also find an old Ideal tong tool in .38 Long with a mold on it possibly. That's what I have used for years, and it works great.
I charge mine with loads equal to data for the .38 Short, or light .38 Special loads. 5.0 grs. of Unique, or 4.0 grs. of Green Dot with the 140 bullet makes a nice mild load and not an issue for the #2 Ballard.
  

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Re: 38 long
Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 3:53pm
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  Thank you Vall. This is the information I needed. That will be a good project for this winter.
  We are getting our first trace of snow today, so I better get started.

Thanks again,
    Bill.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 7:46pm
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Glad to help Bill! I love the .38 Long and the .32 Long in Ballard rifles. Been loading both for several decades.

PS-A fun load for plinking are round balls! Back before I had a bullet mold I used to buy .375" round balls to shoot. I sized the cases and charged them with 3.0 grs. of Unique. Then put a dab of Lee liquid alox on a ball, and set it on the case mouth. Let them dry overnight, and they were stuck in place. They're fairly accurate to 25 yds., and a lot of cheap fun. Did the same with .32 caliber round balls and the .32 Long cases.
If you have a re/de-capping tool you can also reprime the cases, and charge them at the range. Then sit a round ball on top and chamber it. You can shoot all day with one case this way.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:28pm
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Hollow base wadcutters would expand to take the rifling. Late .32 Colt was loaded with hollow base bullets rather than heeled bullets. Might not be very accurate, but better than the size mismatch might suggest.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:49am
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Groove diameters vary a lot with these rifles. I have always advised shooters to try the HBWC route, but it does not work in my own current rifle. Rifles marked .360 no5 usually have a groove diameter around .372" and the HBWC works. Rifles marked .380 long may be the same, but many have a groove diameter of .375 and this seems to be just too much for the HBWC to expand enough. 
I started 20+ years ago with a .360no5 and purchased the correct heeled bullet mould. Then I discovered that it shot better with the HBWC. Now I have a rifle which is marked for both calibres and will only work with the heeled bullet.
Also, 38 Special brass is a little loose and some blow back occurs which affects accuracy. The cure for this is 38 S&W brass.
Fred.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:10am
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Fred, wonder why .38 Special brass would be a little loose, as it's larger diameter than .38 Long? Are you saying it's loose in your .360? 

HBWC work well in the .32 Colt because the difference is much less between .32 Long and .32 Long Colt. But the difference between .357" and .375" bores just doesn't work as well with HBWC in my experience. Might be OK for planking accuracy, but even the .375" round ball will outshoot a HBWC in the .38 Long and bores sized .375" for the cartridge.
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:23am
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how about breach seating?
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 11:17am
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art_ruggiero wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:23am:
how about breach seating?


I have breech seated the round balls before, but didn't see any better accuracy. Haven't tried breechseating bullets, as I don't have a light enough .375" bullet to try. The heavier 165 grain bullets wont stabilize well in the slow twist of the Ballard .38 Long. I suppose I could try breechseating my heeled bullet. Might be worth a try to see how they do.
  

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