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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #15 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 8:59am	Print Post
	Just let Dave at CH4D know that I'll wait until the rifle is back in my hands to slug the barrel before deciding on the die, expander ball and neck sizing bushing. Time to 'sit tight' and let the gunsmith (Steve Rhoades) work his magic.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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kkid66 Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: central tx Joined: Jun 4^th, 2014	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #16 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 11:24am	Print Post
	Looks like a custom bullet with .348 bore and .356 groove. My 35-40 is .350x.358 ss 10twist Douglas. Pm me your address and I will send you a couple bullet samples. Im hauling in hay right now so be a few days. LB


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #17 - Oct 28^th, 2016 at 9:37am	Print Post
	Thanks. Here are a couple of 'first cut' designs for bullets to use in my 0.348" x 0.356" barrel. Longer bullet weight is 342gr & shorter is 316gr. Please feel to comment. Added the 1.43" long bullet with an elliptical nose. Resized the shorter bullet so all are to the same scale, but the forum software is making them all appear to be the same.
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	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1827 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #18 - Oct 28^th, 2016 at 10:07am	Print Post
	SSShooter Have you considered using an Elliptical Nose? beltfed/arnie


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #19 - Oct 28^th, 2016 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	Posted the elliptical above with the other two. Only weighs in at 326gr at the same length as the secant ogive bullet weighs 342gr.
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	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1827 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #20 - Oct 28^th, 2016 at 11:33pm	Print Post
	I do understand the weight issue re. knocking down rams,etc. But, I wonder. The elliptical nose will retain more velocity to the ram line..... Like I used to do in handgun silhouette, - do some Retained Momentum calculations for the rams beltfed/arnie


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #21 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 6:45am	Print Post
	Will likely make both designs (342gr & 326gr) to test. Won't have results until the spring.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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kkid66 Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: central tx Joined: Jun 4^th, 2014	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #22 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 10:14am	Print Post
	I thought shooting hard and fast would be ideal for the 35-40. Thus far one of my best loads at 370 yards has been a D Theodore grooveless bullet 360 grains at 1.475" cast in 25 or 30/1 and shot slow at 1180 fps. Controlling torque from the 10 twist bbl has been key for me shrinking groups.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2944 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #23 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	Interesting that you mention torque. With my 38-56 HiWall with a 14" twist I found that torque was a problem with a 360gr bullet. Problem with the 38-56 is that it is a BN case and can't be "loaded down" when shooting BP.

	Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #24 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Hey KKID I wonder where you got that Mould?


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kkid66 Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: central tx Joined: Jun 4^th, 2014	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #25 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	Thanks Hiwall for the mould. Have not shot it as Dan intended but with four very shallow lube grooves rolled in with my CH canneular tool and regular bullet lube. No leading so far.


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #26 - Oct 29^th, 2016 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	I knurled my 38 groove less and it holds more lube than grooves do


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kkid66 Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: central tx Joined: Jun 4^th, 2014	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #27 - Nov 3^rd, 2016 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Hiwall55, that Sagebrush bullet is promoted as having a BC of .5426. Im sure I never took advantge of that at the speed I shoot. Glenn, Look over the small dia NASA bullet I sent you. May cast up a few this winter for paper patch test. You should get them by sat.


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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #28 - Nov 3^rd, 2016 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	I have a .35 cal. 14 twist Buhmiller barrel blank and just today I was wondering if I could put it on a Rolling Block chambered in 35-30 using 30-30 brass. Would this make any sense or would I be better off using the 35-40 design? It would be used with smokeless powder. So far I'm just in the "pondering" stage. JS


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: 35-40 Dies & Bullet(s) Reply #29 - Nov 4^th, 2016 at 7:00am	Print Post
	Get ahold of JES re boring , that's one of his options. He would tell you if people do use it and would have some information.


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