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Oct 15th, 2016 at 11:27am
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40-70 Sharps St made from 30-40 cases by Buffalo Arms. Black powder 67 grains 3f.  Still missing 1/2 inch of case. Target looked like it was still attached to bullet which went through sideways. Had to turn a piece of cold rolled to .400 and slide down bore to tap seperated part of case out which was up into rifling. Sad
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 11:50am
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400 gr Lyman Snover sized .410. Case not sized. Badger barrel, High Wall action  with DST.  Fired several test batches today but this is only one I had trouble with. 25 rounds total. I am considering getting a 40-70 SS reamer based on a .405 case as I have had these reformed 30-40 cases many years and they are no longer available. I assume I have to cut a new chamber to use them.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 11:51am
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Goex powder 3 f.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 12:58pm
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Wiping? Drying chamber with bore swab? How are you cleaning your brass?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:09pm
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You sure it isn't a .40-50 chamber?
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:29pm
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40-70 2.5 inch chamber.  One wet patch after round.  Brass are washed after using and then tumbled in ground corn cobs.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 1:53pm
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If you don't dry the chamber after wet patching you can separate your brass.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 2:29pm
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If you don't dry the chamber after wet patching you can separate your brass.
Cases can be separated when blow tubing also. To keep the chamber dry - insert the tube in a hole drilled in the rim of the case
Number of blows to moisten the foul:
* Relative Humidity below 44% - 12
* Relative Humidity above 44% - 5 to 7
Source: Bill Knight, the Mad Monk
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 3:08pm
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Wet chamber probably my problem. Many Thanks
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 8:54pm
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I had some 40/60 Maynard cases from BACO made from 30/40 brass. I had not fired it in years and went to load it.  I had several separate in the sizing die. It pulled half in the die just like yours. I ended up throwing it away.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 10:15pm
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Why is the top of the separated cartridge engraved with the lands and grooves of the rifling? That don't look right to me.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 10:35pm
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The bullet with the case forward of the separation started into the barrel and engaged the rifling, At this point the bullet with 1/2 inch of case still stuck to it separated again leaving the middle of the case started into the rifling. The bullet with the front of the case still stuck to it proceeded down the barrel like a jacketed bullet and went through the target sideways.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:24am
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Spence Wolf in his book on reloading for the Trap Door Springfield talks of scrubbing the inside of the case to get rid of all the crud. Apparently the powder charge grips the crud and can separate the cases.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 16th, 2016 at 10:53am
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Even when the cases are tumble cleaned with ceramic chips, nice and shiny inside and out, separations or stretches of the case into the rifling can happen if water is left in the chamber.  I've had my trouble exclusively with paper patch bullets, which require wet wiping; whether it's because I use a blow tube or the lubrication on the bullets, the grease groove types haven't exhibited this behavior.

The principal offender for me is the .40-90 3-1/4 Sharps Straight, although I had it happen once with the .45-70.  Been luckier than you, JSB30; the cases that broke either came out of the chamber with the extractor and a cleaning brush, or the broke-off sections were carried clear out of the barrel with the bullet.  Didn't seem to hurt the barrel, but probably not all that good for it either.  "Jacketed bullets through old soft-steel barrels," and so forth.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 16th, 2016 at 11:39am
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JSB30 wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 11:27am:
Had to turn a piece of cold rolled to .400 and slide down bore to tap seperated part of case out which was up into rifling. Sad

Always hate to run anything harder than a brass rod into my bore. Have had a few separated cases over the years that had to be removed. Driving a lubed bullet from the muzzle, similar to doing the same in order to measure the bore/groove dimensions, has always successfully removed the piece of case.
  

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