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Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:04pm
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Picked this HW up today.  It was the last of Chuck Bordman's estate.  Pretty much a standard single trigger HW from the receiver to the butt plate except for mounting holes for a receiver sight adapter (which came with it- for a Redfield International)  The barrel is rather interesting.  It has been shortened (probably more that once by the look of the mainspring dove tails) and a large nut threaded on the end for a sight mounting base.  It is in 32 Miller Short, slugged at .321 and measured (twice) at 1-12.25 twist.  Came with the 10x Lyman All American scope.  Gary Miller said it was Bev Pinney's offhand rifle.  Some of you may have more knowledge of it.   

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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 10:33pm
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Thanks Dave.

He still has a stool with his name embroidered on it at Tacoma Rifle & Revolver.

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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2016 at 10:48pm
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I took the 32 Miller out for the second time today.  Both times were in the early afternoon and the winds were switching every which way.  Tried to shoot when they calmed down, but my it was still a challenge.  One minute a head wind, then tail wind then right to left at 15 mph all in less than a minute.
I did manage to shoot two 5 shot groups of 1-7/16.  Looks like its a shooter!   
I decided to reward it with a set trigger and pistol grip stock.  Not sure if it enhances the looks or not Smiley

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@ 200 I presume?
  

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Yep.  Conditions were like Saturday at Tacoma.   

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Reply #5 - Oct 1st, 2016 at 7:27pm
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I was thinking the same thing.  The sight base on it is canted to the right anyway.  Maybe a suppressor?

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Reply #6 - Oct 1st, 2016 at 9:10pm
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A blunderbuss flair would be way too cool!  Cheesy
  

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Could just put on an AR style flash suppressor.  Maybe it will make it louder!

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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2016 at 1:42pm
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I thought the barrel might be threaded, but it turns out the end is turned down to 3.4" and the "nut" is a slip fit held in place by a set screw under the sight base.  A Harbor Freight freebee flashlight body is a perfect fit over the end on the barrel.

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Reply #9 - Oct 5th, 2016 at 1:33am
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If it were mine, I'd make the muzzle cap so it blocked the sight picture through the scope  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2016 at 11:53am
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It may be ugly Bob but it appears to be accurate.  Next up is to drill and tap for a front scope block so I could use my Targetspot scopes.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 6th, 2016 at 12:44am
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After shooting a false muzzle off a few time using the scope, I  assumed you might do the same, but the results would be a disaster with a muzzle cap  Sad

FM has a pon that blocks the sight, but ya can't see it through the scope
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 6th, 2016 at 9:45am
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I'd make up a "bloop tube" section that was the same size as the outside of the barrel, and long enough to end up with a 28"-30" look to the barrel. Make it a very tight fit, and it can be tapped into place with some Loctite to ensure it stays there. Make the inside diameter a .45 bore to keep it larger than bore size.
I have a Rolling Block in .22 that is done this way, and after bluing it's impossible to see the splice. It shot great before, and still does!
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 6th, 2016 at 12:46pm
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I plan on looking for some material to make a bloop tube. A few other projects in the works first.

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bpjack wrote on Oct 6th, 2016 at 12:46pm:
I plan on looking for some material to make a bloop tube. A few other projects in the works first.

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Mine was made from an old piece of .45-70 barrel. Just smooth bored to clean up the bore. Pressed on snug, and turned to match the barrel contour. I reblued barrel and tube afterwards, to make it look like one piece. The mating gap doesn't show at all.
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 11:46am
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I have a few old barrels but not in stainless.  On-metals has what I need but I am not a good enough machines to completely hide the gap.  Just adds to the character. 

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Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 12:17pm
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Satin black spray paint- just adds to the character Roll Eyes
  
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Camo paint on the stocks and I am all set.   

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bpjack wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 11:46am:
I have a few old barrels but not in stainless.  On-metals has what I need but I am not a good enough machines to completely hide the gap.  Just adds to the character. 

Jack

  Undercut the mating surface where the tube meets the barrel, so the outer edge is all that touches. It will make matching the surfaces easier to butt up cleanly, and less obvious.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 7:46pm
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I have picked up some materials from them as well.  Now the rifle is sporting a proper scope with the addition of a front scope block.  The rear Weaver base had the same hole spacing as an Unertl style block.

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The barrel is just turned down to 3/4 ".  No threads.  The 'nut has been bored out to be a slip fit and it held on by a set screw.  I am going to try and fit an extension of 4 inches or so.  The nut does attract attention at the range though Smiley

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Reply #21 - Oct 9th, 2016 at 10:29am
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Hope that rear mount can elevate enough before the bell hits the barrel! May need to install taller bases to get enough adjustment.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 9th, 2016 at 2:24pm
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Joe, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it all depends on how many drinks you've had.  Grin
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 9th, 2016 at 11:00pm
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Jack, I am working on a wind compensator tube.  A string  from the 6 inch tube streches to the target.  That string measures a composite of the wind and pulls the compensator just enough to cause all bullets to strike well within the 25 ring.  I'm looking for a test rifle.  Yours should be perfect when the nut comes off.  I didn't want to turn down the barrel on the Pope.  Might go too deep and hit the holes the false muzzle mounts into  Cheesy
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
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Don't know Bob.  Took it out today with my 12x TargetSpot scope.  I was testing a few different wads and settled on the pipe insulation that SchuetzenDave uses.  I had noticed that the front sight block was tilted to the right, well that is because the barrel is tilted about 5 degrees to the right.  I lined up the front scope block with the existingholes and the cross hairs were tilted way to the right.  The barrel unscrews from the action easily by hand, so it may be able to tighten up a bit to straighten it, BUT then the extractor would have to be cut down.  The wind was switching direction every which way as the clouds swept across the sun.  I shot the 10 shot target at 200 with one getting away from me.  And yes, I the target was attached upside down.

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My compsator would put all those 24s in the 25 because it catches the head and tail winds that push the bullets up and down.  Nice group.
  

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Bring it to Spokane and I will attach it to the nut.  Not the one on the barrel but the one behind the butt plate Smiley

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Reply #27 - Oct 10th, 2016 at 11:17pm
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It is totally automatic, Jack.  The nut behind will not believe the compensator. Even I didn't believe it when it shot a 250 in a gale  Cheesy The nut on the barrel has to go too.  No nuts involved in the operation.
  

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Reply #28 - Oct 10th, 2016 at 11:37pm
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The nut behind the butt plate is not going anywhere I am afraid.  I may just turn down the nut on the barrel end so it matches the barrel diameter.  I have a 4 inch SS bar on the way.  Don't think I can do one much longer in my mini lathe.  By the time my crappy machining skills are done it probably will be only 2 inches long Smiley

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Reply #29 - Oct 14th, 2016 at 10:47pm
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I finished a 'bloop tube' 5 inch extension for the barrel.  Not a perfect seamless fit but as good as my lathe and skills could do.  If I ever get where I could turn the barrel with the extension on it it could fit better.  Here is a before and after shot.

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Reply #30 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 12:02pm
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Huge improvement in the looks Jack! Even without a perfect fit, it's a bunch better than that funky nut thing!
  

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Now for that black spray paint, and it's a great lookin' article.
  
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Going to wait and see how it shoots with the tube on the front.  Then I loctite the tube on and take it from there.  Maybe bright red paint!
  

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No threads Joe.  The "nut" was a smooth bore.  Beyond my capabilities to cut threads on the 3/4" shank on the end of the barrel.  Going to duct tape in on until I see how it shoots.  that should draw some interesting comments at the range.   

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Don't know.  When I asked Gary at Spokane, I think he he said the machines were gone already.

Someday I will have one!  Them I will not have any excuses.  Thread with the clutch, right Smiley

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westerner wrote on Oct 15th, 2016 at 8:50pm:
Should have bought Chucks lathe. Who got that lathe ?

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Don't know, but they were hauled off last winter.  Some of the first items to go along with the BP stash.
  

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I finally put together a few spare stocks and a 5 inch bloop tube I machined for the 32 Miller short HW.  Here is the before and after pics.  Going to spend more time at the range to see if I can eliminate the flyers before considering a re-barrel.

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Reply #37 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 10:48pm
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Very nice save Jack! what a great improvement in looks over where it started!
  

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You just have to no look too closely or take the for-end off and look at the dovetail cut with a hacksaw.  It was a deal I couldn't pass up.  Not quite as good as that heavy barrel low wall you scored but close.  It will probably get a new barrel someday, but for now it will provide some fun.  Going to try breach seating BP in a 32 Miller Short.

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I soppose I could have made the bloop tube from a section of octagon barrel to match the original style 

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Reply #40 - Jan 22nd, 2018 at 8:06pm
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Common knowledge that Canadians are heavy drinkers

It is a requirement to use Scotch as antifreeze to survive Canadas climate.

Picture of my bloop tube to extend the line of sight when using iron sights.

There is a screw on cap (same diameter as the barrel) so you cannot see the threads on the end of the barrel when using a scope.
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Reply #41 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 12:31pm
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Dave, how does the bloop tube index up? Is there a set screw that screws into a indent? Or does it just thread on and stop correctly each time?
  

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There is a indent line on barrel and bloop tube that needs to be aligned.

There is a lock screw to secure it in the correct position.
  
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