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Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:30pm
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Few days ago, someone posted about an original Ballard A-1 Mid-Range that had been converted to .22 rimfire.  Just how common are these Ballard conversions using original Mid or Long range actions?  I understand quite a few Ballards and others were made into small bore prone rifles between the wars...but how many .22 conversions have you guys actually seen that used actions engraved mid or long range?  Also, did any of the famous barrel makers such as Pope, Peterson, Hubalek, etc. ever re-line an existing barrel?
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 2:46pm
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I think it was 1967, I had a chance to buy a beautiful Marlin made Ballard that had been built into a 32-40 target rifle by Axel Peterson. It was gorgeous. It had four holes at the muzzle but the false was long gone. It had a beautiful perch belly stock with a hooked butt plate. It had the original long range tang sight. Someone had converted it to .22LR.  The rifle was not engraved but it was nickel plated. Someone on this site may own the gun by now. That was a long time ago.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 3:00pm
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westerner wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 2:54pm:
A friend in Colorado had a engraved Ballard, made into a position rifle by axel Peterson. The bore was offset to match the center fire breech block. It was a real gem.


Had Stevens with similar bore--but it wasn't a reline, a Peterson brl. fitted to a CF DST action.  Built as a position rifle, but became my long-range (100 yds) woodchuck rifle, until the coyotes exterminated the  woodchucks.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 4:24pm
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I would agree they are extremely common! And often done to very high end models for gallery range shooting. My Ballard #6 Schuetzen is converted using a Winchester barrel, re-cut by Zettler Bros. I also have a Ballard Union Hill with no barrel markings exposed, but Winchester markings under the forearm wood, and a cut for an 1885 flat mainspring under the forearm. 
Tried back about 8 yrs. ago to buy a #6 1/2 Rigby that was relined to .22 also. 
Since the guns weren't that old, or valuable, it wasn't sacrilege to rework them. Axel Peterson bored out and relined  a number of Schoyen marked barrels after he took over Schoyen's shop. I bet all he cared about was keeping the money rolling in, not preserving Schoyen's barrel.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 8:55pm
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I have a Peterson Ballard barreled 22 RF with offset bore for CF on a Pacific action.  It was a position gun.  Too many modifications.  Good enuf for offhand  Embarrassed
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 9:15am
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 8:55pm:
I have a Peterson Ballard barreled 22 RF with offset bore for CF on a Pacific action.  It was a position gun.  Too many modifications.  Good enuf for offhand  Embarrassed
 


My Zettler Ballard with Winchester barrel is threaded off center also. So it uses the stock CF firing pin and breech block. I didn't catch the off center barrel at first. Wasn't until I pulled the forearm and  noticed the barrel sat lower towards the bottom of the receiver that I realized it was threaded off center.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:03pm
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Looked at a Winchester highwall with a hubleck offset bore in 22 short
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 10:37am
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I have a Remington Hepburn that started life as a .45/70 sporting rifle and the half octagon to round 28 inch barrel is still marked that way. The rifle has double set triggers and a shot gun butt with very nice wood and it was at some point of time relined with a .22 rimfire liner making it an exceptional shooter.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:44pm
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I once owned two Hubalek Barrels I acquired from Matt Canjar. One was bored straight, the other off center. Neither had been fitted to actions. I have seen many others, and own a Peterson Ballard Pacific that is bored off center, as I believe most are, as opposed to being threaded off center. I once found a beautiful engraved Ballard built into a position rifle by Peterson at four hundred dollars, but called John Dutcher, as I couldn't afford it. There were many single shot rifles built into varmint rifles, most not fine engraved actions. The fine Ballards were used more often as prone or position rifles because of their breeching system, ideally suited to rimfire 22's. Wnchesters and Stevens 44 1/2s for their strength chambered in varmint rifle cartridges. What was done is done, and we can only wish more had survived unscathed. At least some can be salvaged and built into fine schetzen rifles such as those built by Ron Long, like the Ballard in John Dutchers book. There are numerous fine gunsmiths capable of saving some of those fine old actions if given the chance.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:21pm
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Ballards were often chosen to convert to .22RF because the action afforded easy access to the chamber for loading and unloading. Guns like the Hepburn and High Wall with their falling block design made access to the chamber more difficult. 
I've also got two full sized #1 Rolling Block Sporting rifles that were converted to .22RF way back. Both are very easy to chamber and remove cartridges with the RB design.
Since this old post was first made, I've also picked up two more Ballard rifles built on heavy forged actions, but customized into .22RF schuetzen rifles.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2018 at 4:11am
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I owe/have owned quite a few Ballards that were re-worked by Eric Johnson, CC Johnson, Arthur Hubalek, HM Pope, and AO Neidener. I also own several that have no makers' markings. One #3 Ballard is particularly curious; it has a pivoting buttstock. It has adjusting screws that allow the buttstock to be raised and lowered. The pivot is located at the rear of the receiver. It also has a sub breechblock with multi-levers in it so there is no sear engagement. You cock the gun, pull back on the trigger and it fires. It's as if there is no trigger pull. It also has a plunger arrangement, so when the lever is pulled down to lower the breechblock, the lever is held at 90 degrees and doesn't flop around. I am told the builder was an amateur gunsmith. The workmanship/craftsmanship is amazing. So, as you can see from mine and the other responses, there are many converted Ballards out there. I have to note that over the last 5-10 years these guns, which were quite common to find at gun shows, have become rather hard to find.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 24th, 2022 at 1:06am
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I also have an engraved Ballard A-1 midrange that has been lined to .22lr. Otherwise in its original configuration. Seems like with ballards 30% were stripped for their actions, 30% were lined to .22lr or .22 hornet in the 50s, 20% went to gun heaven and 10% made it to today whole.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 24th, 2022 at 9:27am
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That sounds about right.

My contribution to FrankenBallard lore is the one I most recently acquired: a Ballard Pacific, re-barreled with a 6 1/2 Rigby Ballard barrel, breechblock (numbered to receiver) converted to rimfire, barrel lined to .22LR. I bought it with the intent of re-converting the breech block to centerfire and re-barreling to .32-40, but I made the mistake of shooting the donor only to find its accuracy approaches that of my BSA International.....
  
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