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Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:30pm
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Was an outgrowth of Stevens' own R&D, I've always assumed, in response to the introduction of smokeless powder.  Grant does not speculate, nor anyone else I know of...except Ray Smith.  Someone mentioned his Pope book, leading me to look it over again for the first time in decades; he attributes it to Pope's redesign of the 44. When you read about all the other responsibilities Pope had while at Stevens, seems inconceivable he'd have had the time to involve himself in such a project, even if he'd wanted to.  Wouldn't be surprised if Pope told Smith such a story, but that alone is insufficient evidence.

Don't believe either Smith's claim of Pope's invention of the so-called Pope Rib, which he allegedly designed for his friend John Sidel.  They were indeed friends, but considering that Sidel gave full credit to the designs & ideas of four others named in his 1899 catalog, it's hard to believe he'd have failed to do the same for his friend Pope. Sidel gives a rather vague description of what I take to be a rib used only on his highest grade scopes, but calls it a "slide."
  
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Re: Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 4:30pm
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Well Pope was great, but he also promoted himself and his abilities a lot. I'd use the term "embellished", but not sure of how much was true, and how much he or his admirer's lore. 
He's often credited with the muzzleloading breech seating idea, but I'm pretty sure that one has been confirmed to be Schalk, or Rowland's idea. But Pope didn't seem to dispute credit given him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pope had some input on the 44 1/2, but how much?
  

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Re: Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Reply #2 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 5:14pm
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If I recall correctly, 38-55 was the 44's largest cartridge because of the action width.  To safely go above 38 caliber, a wider action was needed.  If Stevens was considering a larger caliber, they had to produce a wider action, 44 1/2.
  
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Re: Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Reply #3 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 6:45pm
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If Pope had anything to do with the Stevens 44 1/2 he surely would have told us, maybe it was H Donaldson who designed the 44 1/2 he designed everything else. The 44 1/2 didn't use a cartridge bigger than a 38/55 either.   Ledball
  
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Re: Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Reply #4 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 7:05pm
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Didn't the 44 frames vary?
For the No. 51, 52 and 54, Stevens said to add a 1/2 pound to the total weight of the rifle for the "large Schuettzen frame".
The 44 1/2 design came in two widths, with the narrower version being the 0 44 1/2 and 56.
  

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Re: Who developed Stevens 44-1/2?
Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:51pm
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I have to think that George Lewis was in there somewhere.
  

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