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Re: French Bullet
Sep 6th, 2016 at 7:45pm
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I received the following PM from friend Ledball and decided to take his suggestion and post it here on the Reloading Area;

"Frog,  I joined the recent group buy on a bullet mould design of yours, it's a spitzer bullet design from an old Lyman mould. I cannot find info on this bullet, could you tell me where I might find some info on this bullet. If you like, respond on the forum as I'm sure others would be interested.  Ledball"

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I haven't used that bullet for many years, but I got the "recipe" I used for it (in my take-down high wall that you will remember Charlie rebarreling for me with a 32-40 Grn Mtn barrel) was from the old Roberts & Waters book.  IIRC I used 13.6 grains of your favorite powder, 4759 and no wad at all when I breech seated about a 16th" ahead of the case mouth.  Keep in mind that you are dealing with amphibian memory, so it would be a good idea to drop back a little on the powder charge.   

I know you also liked the old H-108 and its near equivalent AA #9, so I would also think about using the starting load you used for that type of powder with a bullet of that weight... you may recall that back then you gave me some charges of H-108 you had measured for your 32-40 and we tried behind my 319289 bullet.  If you are still using those powders, that might be a good place to start.  BTW, I might be able to come up with some 4759 that you "discarded" when you thought it wasn't any good!   Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2016 at 8:15pm
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I'd sure like to figure a way to get a handful of that bullet to try in case that mold ever shows up for purchase. I've always been intrigued by it, but nobody ever talks much about it, seems to me.
If there was a buy for it, I sure as heck missed it. 
And, it's nice to hear that it did well in my newest favorite load of 13.6 gr of 4759- Thanks again Mr. Frog! Smiley
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2016 at 8:19pm
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What does this "French" Bullet look like?

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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2016 at 8:38pm
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It is not a "FRENCH" bullet it is named after W.H. French who designed it. It is a Pointed bullet and looks like about a 200 Gr. 
I think I have a Cavity but I have not tried it. Its number is 
319323 in the old Lyman Handbook of Cast Bullets. It may actually have come from Ideal. I need to find mine and see if the Blocks are stamped Ideal on one side and Lyman on the other. HTH Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 1:00am
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If anyone wants to buy one, you can here:

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This is that the bullet looks like.

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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 2:52pm
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Thanks Frank- I had seen the old pictures in ancient Ideal books, but never the specs. I'm a bit surprised to see the length is well over an inch. Did these fair well in 16-twist barrels? The longest I've shot in my rifle has been a little shy of an inch. Worth trying, or not, you guys?
I just came in from casting (nice morning) and I'm bullet 'konshus' at the moment. Or is it unconscious? Shocked
  
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Re: French Bullet
Reply #6 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 3:50pm
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Frank, will NOE adjust diameters on request, or only make the mold to the specs shown. My latest Schoyen Ballard slugs to .3245", and I am considering lapping out a .323" mold, unless I can find a .325" I can buy.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 5:28pm
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Pat,
I will stabilize in a 16 twist.

Vall,
This bullet is made in three different base band diameters:

.321
.323
.325

This is the .325:

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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 7:39pm
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I have an old 1905 Ideal book, it's not listed so it must be after 1905. I have the .325 version 196grain, it shoots as well as any bullet I've ever used, that's why I would like to find info on the bullet.The 1905 Ideal book shows no 32 cal spitzer (pointy) bullets.  Ledball
  
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Re: French Bullet
Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 8:37pm
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Lyman - Ideal French Bullet 319323;
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 9:34pm
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Thanks yet again Frank. I've been thinking new bullet for a while, and this is one that has always been interesting. Maybe it'll come my way and relieve my hankering for a new pill to try. I like old-time bullets anyway. 
And, if Joe says it's sexy, so much the better.
  
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Re: French Bullet
Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2016 at 2:57am
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This is all the info that I have on French.

W. H. French

CMichael Petrov,

Charlie, I never dug into Mr. French and the little I have I'm not even sure it's the same man. I'll run this post by Jim Foral, this is his type of stuff and he may have already done the research.

1900 United States Federal Census 
W French 
Name: W French
[W H French] 
Home in 1900: Leadville, Lake, Colorado 
Age: 39 
Birth Date: May 1861 
Birthplace: Pennsylvania 
Race: White 
Ethnicity: American 
Gender: Male 
Relationship to head-of-house: Head 
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania 
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania 
Spouse's Name: Bessie P 
Marriage Year: 1887 
Marital Status: Married 
Years Married: 13 
Residence : Leadville City, Lake, Colorado 
Occupation: View on Image 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age 
W French 39 
Bessie P French 32 
William H French 10 
Anna D French 11 
Arthur B French 4

Krag 1902,
I've always had a semi-interest in Mr. French, and have made a lot of notes detailing the whereabouts of information on the guy. Maybe one day I can amass enough data to put something together. Most of what I have found concerns his background as a rifle competitor. In 1899 he was alive and well in Brattleboro, VT and shooting in some of RECREATION magazine's postal matches. I lost sight of him until 1907 at which time he was relocated and living in New York. In 1909 his contributions to the sporting magazines carried a return address of Newark, NJ. In 1910 he was in Manhatten belonging to the Manhatten Rifle and Revolver Club, where Walter Hudson held the post as president. Evidently he and Hudson were very chummy at the time; in one match they shared a rilfe - a rimfire Ballard going from memory. Hudson had a bad habit of forgetting ammunition, sights, etc. and it may have been French's rifle they both shot at the match. Both shot at an International Cable Match (revolver?) in 1909. This is what I have been able to come up with quickly. I don't know when he moved to Colorado.
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Michael Petrov,
French was president of the Leadville, Colorado Rifle club and Vice-president of the Colorado Rifle Association in September, 1902.
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Re: French Bullet
Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2016 at 9:50am
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Thanks for the link Frank!

One more question. What material are these molds made from?
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2016 at 10:48am
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On the NOE link, the brass molds are noted, all other molds are made of aluminium.

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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2017 at 10:09am
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Since this post last year, has anybody bought one of these two molds and have had success with them?  Thinking of trying one in my Pope highwall with a .315" - .321" bore.  The base band on my current mold needs to be .325" to seal the bore.  Would you go with the larger bullet or the smaller diameter bullet and open the base band?  Thanks
  
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