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Edward C. Sharps
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Changed Two Variables
Aug 25th, 2016 at 9:35am
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Working up loads for my 1:14 38-55 with .376 bore diameter.  Until this weekend I was getting mediocre results with a 312 RCBS bullet.  Upon suggestion of more experienced shooters I sized them to .378 (to ensure concentricity more than anything) and switched to pistol primers, rather than magnum rifle primers.  Groups shrunk significantly and were very consistent.  Shooting off a rest groups went from scattered holes (no key-holing though) on a NRA 200 yard paper target to very consistent hits on a 10" steel plate at 200 yards (open sights).  Would changing primers have made that much of a difference, or sizing the bullets?  RCBS indicates this mould drops at .377-.378.  They were dropping at .379 for me with WW.  I know changing only one variable is the accepted protocol, but I'm trying to speed the process up. I will continue to refine this load using 45 grs Goex 2F and bullet seated out to the lands.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 9:52am
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...switched to pistol primers, rather than magnum rifle primers. Would changing primers have made that much of a difference, or sizing the bullets?
Primers made the difference to the groups.  Black powder deflagurates (vs like smokeless that explodes)... and to ignite properly, needs a low brisance flame that would be in the pistol primers
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 1:17pm
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Yes to Pistol primers. I have a couple of 45/70's that like pistol
Primers so well that I swaged the brass in the primer pocket so they only take pistol primers. Accuracy went up and no slamming against the breech block. All is good.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 3:02pm
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Thanks for the replies. I was going to ask about the 45/70. I've always been told to use the hottest primer you can find, especially for large calibers with compressed loads.  I'll try pistol primers in the 45/70.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 3:40pm
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Have you tried softer alloy? I use pure lead or 30-1 with my BP reloads and BP lube.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:17pm
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in the day, 20/1 was a soft alloy.
11/1 to a softest of 14/1 was used by the creedmoor shooters with bore diameter pp bullets.
William metford pioneered hardened bullets, finding that they shot faster than the pure lead that had been used up 'till then.
this was because pure lead bumps up so hard into the rifling that the friction induced reduces velocity. Sad
pure lead and softer alloys have a place in hunting, where terminal ballistics also must be considered, but for target shooting  experimenting with hardness and going with max that works is the answer.
keep safe,
bruce.
  

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