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mm1ut1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 75 Location: Sheboygan, wi Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2012	Percussian Schutzen Aug 24^th, 2016 at 6:10am	Print Post
	This belongs to a friend of mine. The owner's father chrome plated the metal as the original silver plating was wearing thin about fifty years ago. I'm guessing the rear sight is a replacement. The owner is seventy one and says it was the first rifle he shot when he was about five or six.

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mm1ut1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 75 Location: Sheboygan, wi Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2012	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #1 - Aug 24^th, 2016 at 6:11am	Print Post
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mm1ut1 Junior Member Offline Posts: 75 Location: Sheboygan, wi Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2012	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #2 - Aug 24^th, 2016 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	I believe it's 36 cal

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16278 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #3 - Sep 6^th, 2016 at 10:35am	Print Post
	Even with the later chrome work, it's still a lovely old gun!

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2016 at 5:48am	Print Post
	Very nice rifle--what a story it might tell if it could. It looks to me like the tang was D/T for a "lollipop" type early tang sight. I agree that the barrel open sight is a more modern replacement. Might be interesting to twist a small hardwood dowel or even lead strip into that threaded hole and see what the threads are. Repro-"lollipops" can be found on some of the M/l supply sites and occasionally some of the dealers in schuetzen sights (Bill Loos or Dick Binger come to mind as potential sources) might have originals that might be made to fit. Interesting too the front of the trigger-guard appears to be drilled and tapped just ahead of the trigger loop. I'm wondering if the hole cuts through the original engraving? Since most of the European schuetzen shooters seldom used palm rests I suspect it might a later modification here in the US as the rifle found its way here for adding a early style palm-rest for an american shooter. OR it could have been for a carrying sling loop if the barrel has/had one. 36 caliber seems a bit light for a target rifle, (if its twisted for a roundball load). If it showed evidence of provisions for a sling it might be a lighter caliber stalking rifle. Many of the lighter stalking-rifles for alpine game have a lot of target-rifle characteristics My guess is that the "original silver plate" was probably nickel. If you look through the current threads there are sources that probably could electro-chemically remove the the chrome and then reapply the original style antique nickel finish.
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Joe, short of some sort of chemical analysis I'm not sure how to tell. I know that I have had several with nickeled parts, a Ballard with a nickel plated action and several vintage ones with nickeled levers, butt plates etc. Even a rather elegant custom targetBSA 22 rf from the early mid-1940's that appears to have a twisted platinum wire-braid inlaid as a breech-ring. I don't know of any I have owned with actual silver (though I do have a family heirloom large "hunter" pocket watch with a heavy hall-marked sterling case). I would say that my Nickeled gun parts do not tarnish at all to the degree that the silver watch does---even though it is not exposed to the field and range environment my rifles are. I'd suspect that any silver on a percussion schuetzen of the BP era (with the sulphur content of BP) would have more tarnish issues than one with nickel plating. { Just speculating: just wondering if some of the nickel plating might not have been an effort to reduce wear and tear on high use arms of the corrosive ammo era---where the glare and reflection would not be a problem-- as much as ornamentation?} In appearance I'm not sure I could tell, though the polished silver might appear more "silver-ery" and the nickel might appear to be a bit softer and slightly "yellower". I imagine too that the silver furnished ones were probably very high end, perhaps prize or trophy rifles or commissioned pieces by someone with deeper pockets, rather than more mundane run of the mill parts.
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sharps4590 Junior Member Offline Posts: 91 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	I don't have all 4 books in the series "Alte Scheibenwaffen", only the first, but I do believe there was some prize rifles shown that were silver mounted as westerner described.


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	For certain there were, both here and back in the old country, through all eras there were silver mounted rifles, as prizes, trophies, or just high end gun-art. However most of the prize/trophy rifles were usually enscribed as such. A private individual could also commission a rifle with any degree of ornamentation his sense of art and his pocket book would accommodate. The question Joe and I have is, given an old rifle with a shiny or worn silvery finish to the action or other fitments, { assuming it has no inscription indication it is a prize, trophy, or presentation piece} how do you tell if it is actually silver, antique nickel, or common "german silver".

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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #8 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 4:12am	Print Post
	When I have a part nickel plated,I buff it down with a scotch-brite pad, the white one. Kills that fresh chrome plated look. ...MIKE...


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #9 - Oct 11^th, 2016 at 11:11am	Print Post
	purely pretty!!!!

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Percussian Schutzen Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2016 at 8:30pm	Print Post
	I have a pair of locks, left and right, from an old shotgun that I've been saving with the idea of someday building a percussion schuetzen rifle. That's not going to happen and if anyone has any interest in them I can post some photos and put them on the for sale thread. JS


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