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Reply #30 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:40pm
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John Boy, thanks for that link on the cleaning fluid.  I ordered a sample and it came in today.  (Wow that was fast!)  Next time I cast, I'll clean my mold with it and see if I get any improvement.
  

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Reply #31 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:42pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:15pm:
Chris C wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Very interesting read, John Boy.  Thanks for posting the link.  Though I understand the process and the timing of it, being a new caster I find it almost impossible to adhere strictly to those times.  Always seem to have something that makes me change them slightly. .


If you want to save yourself a long learning curve,  drill and tap your mold, attach a thermocouple and cast at a mold time of about 400 to 425 degrees. Experiment a little to find your best temp for accuracy and production rate.  10 degrees off your temp will start to vary the bullet weights away from a +/- .1 tolerance.  10-15 degrees will usually stay +/- .2.

 
Been considering that.  Thanks.  I thought the PID woulds be the panacea, but I still occasionally have problems with consistency.
  

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Reply #32 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 10:48pm
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Nice Article:
How to cast bullets and other tidbits ..
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Reply #33 - Aug 26th, 2016 at 3:16pm
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I cant get johnboys article out here in the wilderness beyond what modern homo sapiens considers civilization.   Assuming you have good technique, dipping, mold filling, reasonable temp, ect....  I do not believe PID will matter one way or the other.  I have examined my Lyman thermostat controlled pot every way I could think of with my Fluke thermometer. I looked for stratification in the melt at various levels and variuos amounts of alloy.  Checked dropping sprues in various amounts.  I  checked the temp variation in stat cycling.  All evaluated as they related ro bullet weight variation.  As long as only a few sprues went back at a time, I could not find anything that caused any variations except the mold temp, which was determined toe the single most critical factor maintaining tolerances of +/- .1 gr in 200 gr bullets.  I haven't cast any 550s for so long, I don't remember if they were. 1 or .2 tolerance.  I seriously doubt better than +/- .1 gr will matter.   
  

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Reply #34 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:25am
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Back to web access here and I read the article. I agree with  him, but a couple comments. 

Be very careful touching wax to the sprue plate pin.  It is easy to contaminated the underside of the plate and even the mold cavity. Hopefully, if it happens you can burn it out with a match or candle.

Super hot for pure lead works but, I was able to cast a batch hollow .54 round balls at 900 + degrees.  I started just using 50:1 lead tin mix.  It doesn't take much tin to make lead flow better and the RBs do not notice a smidgen of tin.

Water near molten lead?  Not me.  If you ever empty a 20# pot with a drop of water, you will never forget it! 

Timing is everything to maintain mold temp for sure.  That is where the thermocouple on the mold pays off.  I finally figured out, after many years of weighting, ect., my bullet weight variations were in the mold temp variations caused by casting rate, stopping to flux, ect and not having any way to know when my mold was at the proper temp.

  

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Reply #35 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 12:10pm
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How is th TC cable handled? I drilled and taped a mold, but found the cable was allways in the way. I suppose I could cut the cable short and put a plug at the end. Then plug digital thermometer in when I wanted to check

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Reply #36 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 1:09pm
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Quite frankly it is a PIA until you get used to it.  I drilled and tapped a lower right front corner for 8-32.  I run the wire along the handles to the meter.  It is about 3 feet long.  Any shorter would limit movement too much. 

  

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Reply #37 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 2:10am
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I measured the T-couple wire tonight, it is 42" long.   

I cast the first bullets I have cast in a couple years.  I have been shooting up left overs  Grin

I got curious about the bullets I cast tonight.  My tolerance didn't quite meet the specs I quoted of +/- .1 gr.  100 bullets averaged 213.43 grs. The heaviest 3 are 213.7, the lightest 3 are 213.2.  The remaining 96 are .6, .5, .4, & .3.  First 50 average .8 heavier than the 2nd fifty after stopping and fluxing before resuming.  Not sure if my technique is a little rusty from the layoff  or my memory has rusted since the last time I weighed bullets at least 15 or maybe 20 years ago.  Undecided
  

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Reply #38 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 3:58am
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I cast another 100 tonight.  I noticed a little buildup on the base plate.  Cleaned and smoked the mold. I watched the temp a little closer too.  Culls that were more than 5 degrees of target temp varied from 213.2 to 213.8 grs.  After cleaning the mold 65 bullets averaged 213.37 grs.  after I stopped for a few minutes I had 3 in a row that weighed 213.6.  I had one odd ball that weighed .8 and the lightest were 2 - .2s.  Of the 65 after cleaning the mold 50 of the 65 weighed .3 or .4.   No doubt with a little more practice and watching the mold temp tolerance a little tighter,  a +/- .1 to .15 tolerance could be held on 98% of the bullets cast. 

I am curious about adding a dimmer to the pot to maintain exact temp without any cycling of the stat. Before, I felt the tolerance with mold temp sensor was so tight, it didn't matter.  It probably doesn't on the target.  I couldn't tell my culls from good bullets a few years ago on the target when I was shooting regularly between matches.

Note, as the mold cools, sometimes it will hold at 5 degrees above for a few seconds, start dropping and be at temp or a degree or two below by the time you get a bullet poured.  I try to anticipate and get them poured a degree or 2 above target temp, 415 tonight. Once in a while it will shoot past cooling.  If it gets more than 5 degrees low, cull them. Culling anything below will probably tighten up the couple that were .3 or .4 off the average. 10 degrees low definitely gets off .5 or more.  

How good is good enuf and how much effort is it worth to make them all +/- .0 grs?  Roll Eyes

The interesting thing about watching mold temp is sometimes you have a wait a bit for the mold to cool and at times it is hard to keep up.  I certainly understand now why my bullets were varying over a range of +/- a whole grain before I started using the temp sensor.
  

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Reply #39 - Sep 8th, 2016 at 4:23am
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Started to weigh another batch tonight. I concluded the bullets hold a tighter tolerance than my old Lyman electronic scale is able to measure  Undecided  Guess I'll have to find my old balance beam to get the real story.
  

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