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Reply #15 - Aug 20th, 2016 at 8:25pm
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looking at that bullet suggests it is time to send brooks a drawing of what you want and get a decent mould.
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Reply #16 - Aug 21st, 2016 at 6:34am
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I applied the "Joe Fix" and turned the pot up to 800 degrees. I poured 25 bullets after the mould was hot. The base on all the bullets was perfect but only five had filled out driving bands. I have some Zud on the way here and am anxious to try that.
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Reply #17 - Aug 21st, 2016 at 8:53am
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The mold is too cold. Crank up the heat until you get good bullets. Even with the lead hot enough the mold can be too cold. 25 bullets may not be enough to bring the mold up to a good casting temp. Keep going and see if it gets better. As stated previously the time for the sprue puddle to cool is a good indicator of proper mold temp. 5 seconds  seems about right most of the time.
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2016 at 12:23pm
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OK, I found the picture of the bullet - one nasty looking:
* The bullet pock marks are an indication that the mold is not clean or there is dross in the melt.  Are you fluxing with what and by stirring the flux to the bottom of the pot to bring all the dross to the top of the melt?
* The rounded groove bands are an indication of too short a pour time and possibly the mold is colder than the melt in the pot ... are you using a thermometer?  If not, buy this one (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
* With either a bottom pour or ladle, the spout has to be placed directly into the sprue hole before the pour and then, again ...
* Heat the melt & mold up to a temperature so that with a 5 seconds pour with the spout directly in the sprue hole - the sprue puddle frosts is 8-10 seconds.  When the puddle frosts -cut the sprue
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Reply #19 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 6:29am
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John Boy, Thanks for the suggestions. I mostly use a Waage pot that is calibrated using my Lee 20 pound pot which is PID controlled which is checked using a thermometer. It is spot on. The mold is squeaky clean after having been cleaned with almost everything known to man. I have never had to use a temperature higher than 750 degrees with any mold I own but this one certainly benefits from higher temps. The reason I stopped casting after 25 bullets ( I threw about a dozen back into the pot before I started saving them) was the mold handles were so hot it was uncomfortable to hold. I think maybe the mold was contaminated by silicone or some other evil substance. I hope the Zud will clean it better.
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Reply #20 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 9:15am
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My final step in cleaning a mould is electronic cleaner and a q-tip it leaves no residue. 
I have several moulds that require 800*+ alloy temp 
and at least 20/1 tin to fill out. 
When I pair my ladel to mould rotation speed to fill the mould can make a difference. Try faster and slower fill speed keeping the ladel mated longer.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 12:34pm
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Sounds like you may have zinc contamination.  Try boiling the mold in water for 15 minutes.  I remember doing that to get rid of it.
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 1:57pm
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OK, mold cleaning solution ... I don't care what other brands are on the market, what I have been using close to 10 years is Micro-90, the BEST.  

Ask Montana Charlie who has been using it every since I got mine and several other casters on the Shiloh forum.  It is a concentrated liquid that is mixed 2 fl oz to 100cc water (I use distilled water from the dehumidifier) but I use a 5% solution ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) Read what the stuff can do and leave the item ... "absolutely clean"  Click on Request A Sample link on the page

And for the free sample, order it on line and be sure to use a business name instead of your given name ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
(Scroll down to bottom of the page)

I run the mold under hot tap water - scrub with a tooth brush - hot water rinse again - scrub the mold, the Micro-90 will create a  foam - final rinse under hot water - wipe dry with a clean paper towel and your ready to heat the mold up. I have absolute nice bullets casting with all of my Ideal handle molds with no vent lines.

And for the good of the order, IMO - all garbage bullets and sprue cuttings go in a tin can until the finish of the casting session.  Never put them back in the pot while casting


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Reply #23 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 3:27pm
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Thanks, John Boy, for the product recommendation.

Would you happen to know if it leaves finishes like bluing and case colors alone? When I looked at the msds, it looks like it has some good potential in the ultrasonic cleaner.

Thanks much for any thoughts you might have.
  
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Reply #24 - Aug 22nd, 2016 at 6:19pm
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Would you happen to know if it leaves finishes like bluing and case colors alone?
I clean aluminum - brass & steel molds with Micro-90. It does not remove any bluing or discolor the metal on the molds.  Case coloring?  None of my molds are case colored but would make a large bet it doesn't remove case coloring
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 23rd, 2016 at 8:36am
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The mold needs more heat. Those old Ideal molds don’t have much bulk to retain heat so if you are used to modern molds blocks they are going to be a shock. They need to be hot and you need to cast as fast as you can to keep the mold from cooling down. 

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Reply #26 - Aug 23rd, 2016 at 11:05am
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40-Rod, I think you just gave me the reason for most of my success coming from casting hot- mold and metal. At least, in comparison to what so many others tell me they do. Most of my molds are just old Ideal ones and sure enough, they do work like for me just like you said. Now I know. Smiley
  
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Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2016 at 12:25pm
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Those old Ideal molds don’t have much bulk to retain heat so if you are used to modern molds blocks they are going to be a shock. They need to be hot and you need to cast as fast as you can to keep the mold from cooling down.

As long as the caster does this:
* With either a bottom pour or ladle, the spout has to be placed directly into the sprue hole before the pour and then, again ...
* Heat the melt & mold up to a temperature so that with a 5 seconds pour with the spout directly in the sprue hole - the sprue puddle frosts is 8-10 seconds.  When the puddle frosts -cut the sprue

... any mold, small or large block, aluminum, brass, steel and single or multi cavity will cast good bullets! From my collection of over 200 molds, I have never had an issue casting perfect bullets using the procedure above - whether they be 40gr up to 500 plus grains

And if you want to be By The Numbers, a purist ...
The 8-Phase Casting Cycle ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
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Reply #28 - Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:36pm
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Very interesting read, John Boy.  Thanks for posting the link.  Though I understand the process and the timing of it, being a new caster I find it almost impossible to adhere strictly to those times.  Always seem to have something that makes me change them slightly.  Especially since my bullets seldom just fall out of the mold when I open it......which, of course, requires striking the handles and adding that time to the cycle.  But I'm workin' on getting there.  Thanks again.
  

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Reply #29 - Aug 23rd, 2016 at 4:15pm
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Chris C wrote on Aug 23rd, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Very interesting read, John Boy.  Thanks for posting the link.  Though I understand the process and the timing of it, being a new caster I find it almost impossible to adhere strictly to those times.  Always seem to have something that makes me change them slightly. .


If you want to save yourself a long learning curve,  drill and tap your mold, attach a thermocouple and cast at a mold time of about 400 to 425 degrees. Experiment a little to find your best temp for accuracy and production rate.  10 degrees off your temp will start to vary the bullet weights away from a +/- .1 tolerance.  10-15 degrees will usually stay +/- .2.
  

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