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Re: Husqvarna #33 rolling block 9.30mm bullets
Reply #15 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:47am
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I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the early Type 33 isn't a 9.3x57R? Considering my chamber cast showed a much shorter chamber than the 57mm 2.24" would indicate. And also considering the bore diameter of .375" that's much larger than the other guns that oneatatime and 4065Tom have in their .366 bores. The 9.5x52 makes a better match up to my 33 than the 9.3x57 does.
  

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Reply #16 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 10:43am
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Hi ,
I of course agree.
9.5x52R makes much more sense to me,as noted in my last post.
Considering your chamber cast dims. I wonder why Husqvarna used the 57R designation in the first place.Other than that they loaded .366 bullets,not .375  into the 57R case as I mentioned earlier.
Also as mentioned,I recon it shot poorly and they changed the barrel dims to suit the .366 bullets.And never mentioned it.
Has anyone seen/got an original 9.3x57R cartridge?
does anyone now when the change over happened?
The mystery deepens!!
Sure would be nice to get hold of an original round from both eras to compare.
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Reply #17 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 10:54am
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I'm guessing they used the 57R dimension because some actually are that cartridge. In fact, maybe more are the 9.3x57R than the larger .375" bore, shorter chamber. 
I hope something comes to light that would indicate if Husqvarna actually did change from a 9.5x52R to the later well known chambering. Yours and mine are the only .375" bores I've heard of so far.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 12:45pm
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40-65tom's 22xxx rifle "lettered" to 1889 so that is probably too early to say the bore size was reduced for smokeless. I suppose another alternative would be a short case with a heeled bullet. This almost looks like one:
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Reply #19 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 1:53pm
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oneatatime wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 12:45pm:
40-65tom's 22xxx rifle "lettered" to 1889 so that is probably too early to say the bore size was reduced for smokeless. I suppose another alternative would be a short case with a heeled bullet. This almost looks like one:
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That's an interesting thought! A heeled bullet would indeed be a possibility to explain the larger bore. We may never know why some are different, but it sounds like it might be earlier than 4065Tom's gun.
I need to go to the site and see if they can tell me when mine was built, so I've got a reference date.
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 2:00pm
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I just dropped in at the Husqvarna page to see about contacting them about dating my gun. I found something very interesting I hadn't seen before! They offered the Type 33 in 9.5x47R!! This would explain the .375" bore at least. But 47mm is 1.85", which is shorter than my chamber.
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 2:41pm
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Hi all,
The 9.3x57R/360-e-express is surely the round we are all discussing. Is it not just the 9.3x57R/360 by another label, probably a bit more blackpowder in the case.Or not.It could just have been a marketing tool to 'turbo up' the cartridge.

The cartridges that the 33 was available in are as follows, for those that aren't following this thread too closely..

6x36R, 6.5X42R, 8X42R, 8X57R/360, 9X47R, 9.15X57R/360.Better known as 9.3x57R/360,ALSO known as .360x2 1/4''Expess., 9.5x47R, 10X47R, 10.5X47R.

The 9.5x47R, and the 10.5x47R are bottlenecked cartridges, so no joy there.

A heeled bullet is a good possibility, using a 9.50 bullet heeled to 9.30, allowing the overall dia. of the 57R case to remain smaller to chamber in the std chamber. An excellent
idea and worth persuing.
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Reply #22 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 3:48pm
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Yes, the 9.5x47 is bottleneck, and also shorter. Different chambering. But it makes me wonder if some of those 9.5 bore barrels got chambered with a different reamer? I just ran a bore scope down my Husky to see if the chamber looked altered in any way, and it all looks old and original. Still puzzled what I've got, but not unhappy with how it shoots, and that I can use .38-55 and .376" bullets.
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 5:41pm
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One seemingly logical explanation of 0,366" to 0,376" is refresh of pitted bores. That could have been done well long ago and would now look "old and original". 

These generaly BP hunting guns were expensive and, if I understand correctly, were more likely to have "minor" modifications/repairs, well done, than to be replaced. M33s were likely rather cherished by hunters, more so than military pattern remington-style rollers in 12,7X42R or 12,7X44R.

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Reply #24 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 6:59pm
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Hi,
Barrel refreshing! Now that is something that never occurred to me.
Both of the guns that have the .375 barrels are lower serial #'s than the .366 guns.
The re-cutting of the  rifleing to a bigger calibre is of course a common solution to worn out barrels, and I assume cheaper than sleeving.
I think you may have solved the problem!!
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Reply #25 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 7:14pm
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Hi GEOFF!

I envy you guys with those nice M33s!! 

I will just have to console myself with my few nice old Husvarnas and one Carl Gustav roller in really great condition.

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Reply #26 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 1:36pm
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Hi all,
An update on reloading the 9.3x57R.
You will recall that my Husky has a 9.50mm barrel rather than the 9.30mm.
Whilst waiting for the dies, mould etc to arrive from the US to the UK,I decided to convert some 30/30 Win cases to accept .375'' bullets that I have that were used in my Win 1886 38-56. They are aprox 250 grains from an NEI mould 4 cavity.
Basically making slightly shorter 38-55 Win cartridges.
I annealed the neck and shoulder area of 22 cases and then had to file down the dia. of the rims as they are to large to chamber. Took some time!!!!!!!Still, being retired I have loads of time to waste.
Next, try and enlarge the case mouth to accept the bullets. After wrecking 11 cases trying various combinations of expander buttons, I decides to use drill bit shanks in 0.50mm increments from 7.50-9.00mm by lightly hammering the cases over the lubed shanks with a leather head mallet. Worked great.
I now had 11 cases and decided to trim them to 50.00mm o/l to make them all uniform.
After much consultation of loading manuals and cartridges of the world I decide on a reduced load of 13.60 grains of 4198 powder,as that was a convenient lee dipper spoon at around the load I had decided on. Didn't fancy messing around changing out my Dillon measure for 11 cases.
Successfully loaded the cases and finished up with custom 9.5x50R rounds!!
Went to the range Saturday, only 25 metres pistol range that my club was using that day for a 3 gun Western Match, and shot the rolling block offhand in the lunch break at some bits and bobs, old 12 bore cases and the like. And three of us hit every thing we aimed at. It was spot on using the fixed leaf of the 3 leaf rear sight. Excellent. Very light load, felt like a 44/40 in a Win 92 rifle.
Not much of a test of the ol'girl I know. but the nearest rifle range is 48 miles/two and half hours away across to the other side of London. Perhaps I'll get to it one day.
The cases fire formed perfectly as well.
The mould arrived last Thursday, and the dies Friday. So now to start reloading proper 9.30x57R cartridges with 9.30m bullets and se how much I can lead up the barrel.
More to come!!!
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Reply #27 - Sep 7th, 2016 at 8:54pm
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I finally got out to the range today to try some loads in my 9.3x57R (360) now wearing its new Marble tang rear and Lyman 17a front sights. I had 6 10 shot loads to test with 2 different bullets and 3 different powders. I think I have arrived at good starting points for future load testing. The most interesting result was the 200 grain Accurate bullet with 13.5 grains of 4759 giving 6 shots in a perfectly horizontal line .25 inch by 1.9 inches (did I mention the crosswind?) with the other 4 in a .4 inch cloverleaf 1 inch above the line. Also deserving more testing was the Accurate bullet with 17.5 grains of 4227 in a 1.8 inch group. I think that one could might do a bit better with a little more powder. These were at 100 meters. Anyway, a good start.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2016 at 9:40am
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Sounds like you made a good choice in sights! Those are good groups for the first effort with better sights! I still haven't figured out which sights I might put on mine.
  

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