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Aug 13th, 2016 at 12:56pm
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Hi all,
I have a Husqvarna #33 rolling block rifle in 9.3x57R/360. serial # 220.
Can anyone tell me who makes lube-sizing dies for the Lyman 450 machine for the  9.3/.366 bullet.
I have brass. Dies are on their way. About to order an Accurate Molds mold.
Can't  find a bullet sizing die set so far.

As an aside, my barrel slugs .375 groove, .358 land. I have read that other people have this situation as well, and I have read that this seams to be the norm for this rifle, as pure lead bullets bill bump up with blackpowder.
Using .375 bullets in 57mm cases will not chamber, using shorter cases allows the round to chamber and fire ok. These cases were 30/30 resized.
Many  Thanks for any help given.
Geoff.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 3:50pm
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Can't  find a bullet sizing die set so far.

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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 3:54pm
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 4:05pm
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Hi craigster,
Thanks for the link.
I feel somewhat stupid, as I ordered the reloading dies from Buffalo yesterday, and somehow I missed the listing for the sizing die. I'll phone them Monday and hopefully add it to my order.
Thanks again.
Geoff.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 7:38pm
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My Type 33 also has a .375" bore. I'm wondering why you'd want a .366" bullet sizing die for a .375" bore? The bullet will rattle down the bore if sized to .366" and you'll have terrible accuracy! I size mine .376" and use .38-55 cases trimmed shorter to fit the chamber. 
You'll likely find the 9.3x57 dies will have too small an expander, and will have to either use a .375" expander, or run them into a .38-55 die to expand the necks. If a .375" bullet wont chamber when loaded, you might check the OAL case length to ensure it's not the case that's still too long. Mine chamber fine.
GEOFF, are you up in Washington, near Tonasket?
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 8:58pm
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I find this very strange. My 33a which is definitely a 9.3x57R (360) has a .366 groove diameter. Now when Vall came up with his showing a .375 groove diameter I figured that some one at the factory accidentally stuffed a barrel rifled for the 9.5x47R on his rifle and then chambered it for the 9.3x57R (360). The 9.5x47R has a .375 groove diameter, is shown as one of the calibers the 33 was offered in, but is a large bottlenecked case. It could be even stranger - what if some of the 33s were chambered for the 38-55?????? Or, maybe the Swedish 9.5x47R is not the same as the German/Austrian 9.5x47R. Vall, is all you had to do to the 38-55 brass to get it to chamber was shorten it some? If so, how much?
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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 11:55pm
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Yes, I shortened my cases about .10" and I even use .38-55 dies to reload them! Never have purchased the 9.3x57 dies, as these work so well. I'd have to measure the OAL to know for sure what they are now.
But I tried a full length case first, and even an empty case wouldn't chamber.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 12:23am
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I found a cryptic reference to "or the straight cased 9.5x51R Express (EXP37)". That sounds like what a 38-55 shortened .1 inch could be. Anyone have anything else on it?
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 10:25am
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oneatatime wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 12:23am:
I found a cryptic reference to "or the straight cased 9.5x51R Express (EXP37)". That sounds like what a 38-55 shortened .1 inch could be. Anyone have anything else on it?


Did you find the 9.5x51R in some reference info on the Type 33? I can't find any reference to that caliber in COTW? I looked at the Cartridge Collector web site, and also found an obscure reference to this cartridge, but no listing, or info?
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 12:52pm
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Hi marlinguy,
As I noted in my initial enquiry, I had read that using a .366 bullet in pure lead; it would bump up to fill the .375 barrel, using black powder. And from what I can deduce from all that I have read on this forum and others, the correct bullet is .366.
As I and all have mentioned, using .375 bullets in a 57mm case, it wont chamber.
So a .366 bullet must be correct. So I thought I would give it a try.
If it don't shoot worth a penny, I will use a short case and .375 bullets as I have done before.
I live in England in an area of East London called Chadwell Heath. So some 6000 miles from Washington.
Thanks for all the  input so far guys.
Regards Geoff.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 4:34pm
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I doubt you'll get a .366 bullet to bump up to .375" bore! A few thousandth's, but certainly not .009" bump!
Be sure the case fits prior to ordering a bullet, or mold. You may have to neck turn cases to get a .375" to seat in a case and also chamber. They make different thickness necks on various brands of cases also, so some may be thinner. A couple companies sell neck turning tools to inside or outside turn the necks for larger bullets.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:30pm
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Hi,
This situation is most interesting and perplexing at the same time.
I wonder what size bullets Husqvarna used back in the day?
They originally called it a 9.15x57R.Or did they call it a 9.15x57R/360? I doubt that they added the 360.(see below).
Who first called it 9.3x57R?
9.15mm is .360236'': Presumably that is where the ''360'' comes from, probably dubed by us Imperial speakers.
So 9.15 is  the bore/land size, and 9.30(.366) is the groove. I recon that Husky used a 9.30/.366 bullet in their original black powder loads,  and it bumped up to fill the 9.50mm barrel, as I read elsewhere, as stated in my earlier posting.
Did it shoot well back then? who knows. Or is that why 'oneatatimes' 33a has a .366 barrel, changed by Husky to shoot better!!!
My first reloads way back used fireformed 30/30 cases with .375 lead bullets. They chambered great, being a short case. Some brands did not allow the breach to close, others did. My current cases that I am cutting down are Norma 9.3x72R, and they will need the neck thickness to be thinned by .002. I have the Lyman case trimmer with the neck turning kit for inside and outside turning.
I shall see this project to conclusion, producing a correct 9.3x57R, or should that be 9.15x57R cartridge case using .366 bullets, and see if it shoots correctly. If not, back to a shorter case and .375 bullets. I will cut down the 9.3x72R cases further until a round chambers.
I will keep this forum thread up to date on my progress.
Cheers!!
Geoff.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 14th, 2016 at 11:21pm
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Checked my cases and I trimmed them to 2.070" to fit and chamber. I'm using 255 gr. bullets, with smokeless powder at 1250 fps. The .38-55 cases fireform out to fill the chamber, but don't fully form in the head area of the case. Even during fireforming they shot well, although the 3 leaf express sights leave a lot to be desired for target accuracy.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 12:38am
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Geoff, you said that your serial number was 220. So far we have determined that the serial is on the barrel and the left side of the upper and lower tangs and that the last 3 numbers of the serial are on the forestock wedges. Where was your 220? Val's number is 18xxx, 40-65tom's is 22xxx, and mine is 35xxx. Val's groove is .375, 40-65tom's must be .366 like mine because he is shooting Lyman 366408 with smokeless and getting target results. The /360 comes from being based on the Brit 360 2 1/4. There are a series of European cartridges based on this case and they are identified by the appended non metric /360 to differentiate them from the larger cases such as 8x57R (vs 8x57R/360) and to identify the parent case. IIRC the RWS catalog shows the 360 case number.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:11am
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Hi all,
I have just taken my Husky apart to find the serial#.
Everywhere says 220. nothing longer than 220.
It is on the woodwork,both the forend and the shoulder stock written in pencil.
It is on the top surface of both wedges.
Bottom  flat of the octagonal barrel about 1'' from the action.
Left side of both tangs.
I also noticed an 03 on the inside surface of the extractor, probably an assembly#?
My stock is full length with straight grip and cheekpiece .
The cleaning rod is all steel, looks original, but could be later??
Guess mine must be very early production piece then at #220.
My thanks to Val for the case length that you use,I have noted it in my file.Thanks for the info on '360' use. I am aware of the Brit 360 2 1/4 from my research in Cartridges of the world, but did not realise that the 9.3x57R was a copy of it.

Perhaps we should sub-divide the two versions of the Husky by barrel size.
9.3x57R for the .360 guns,(higher serial#) and 9.5x57R for the .375 guns.(lower serial#) Rather than lumping them all together. Or even 9.5x52R for the 2.070'' case length that is required to chamber the .375 bullet.
It would give a better understanding of this/these cartridge. especially as they also used the 9.15x 57R designation as well!!!(later guns)
They appear to me as two distinctly different rounds.
Perhaps Husqvarna changed the barrel size on latter guns to give better accuracy  with smokeless powder. Any thoughts on this guys?

Geoff.
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