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Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:43pm
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Thought I'd give this a try.  Anyone using or have an opinion - and what ratio if so?

Application is BP.

One patch, two patch, wet, dry, your practice under match time constraints?  Anything you care to offer.
  

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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm
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I tried it mixed 50/50 with water in my 38-55 in various combinations with dry patches. but it was just a waste of patches and time. It didn't help.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 8:48pm
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Balistol didn't work for me, it should work but you can't keep it, it goes BAD. I have better luck with NAPA water solable oil mixed 8 to 1, shooting greasers 2 patches work best.I squeeze the heck out of them in my juicer so they are just damp. For Paper patch I use bore pigs and put a dry patch behind the pig and push it thru together. For greasers If you follow with a dry patch you will invite leading and if your patch is too wet your group will suffer, it takes some practice to get everything right.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:03pm
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I agree with these guys, Ballistol is not a good option for bore wiping. Try Windex with vinegar (not ammonia). Works great.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:35pm
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Thank You gentlemen.  Saved me some money!
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:36pm
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My experience with Ballistol is just the opposite of the others.

My friend Rich (PORK & BEANS) and I used a mix of 5% Ballistol/95% distilled water for BPCR Silhouette for wiping between shots. It worked perfectly as far as we were concerned. One very damp patch pushed through with an undersized jag followed with a bore mop to dry the chamber between shots. We were able to get our 5 shots off in far less than 5 minutes if necessary.

We shot at the Avenal Gun Club in CA. It was below freezing in the AM during the winter and well over 100* when we would finish in the summer. Never had any problems with leading or fouling. 

I think most shooters tend to run their patches too dry. Also only take out the patches you need for each relay so they don't continue to dry out during the day. Leave the rest of them soaking in the container. Just a light squeeze to get the bulk of the liquid out is all you need to do.

We both were in Master Class when we switched over to Schuetzen exclusively so it must have been working OK. 

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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 9:52pm
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Thank You Jerry, glad you included the solution proportions!

I've done Windex and no complaints but that's coming from someone with all of three BPCR matches under his belt.   And I was blow tubing during those.   

Gonna shoot again Sunday and left nearly all my gear up north so was deciding on what I'd try for this match.    

Be interested in your between-relay regimens.   Even what you do before leaving the range when it's all said and done?  Not the brass, just your bore.

At one match I wiped up afterwards with windex and water like I did between relays and thought I dried the bore ok with a dry patch.   I didn't get to it again for a couple hours.  Was I shocked at the color of the first couple patches.  Looked like rust had already started to grow.   You can bet I paid more attention to dry patches after that -- whatever 'that' was from!
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 10:12pm
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After firing at the 5th & 10th animal my rifle would go in the rack without doing anything to the bore. Before taking the first shot at the next 5 or the sighter when switching to the next animal I would run a patch down the bore and mop it, just like between each shot. That seemed to eliminate that 6th shot mysteriously going high. One shot, one patch/mop no matter what all day long. I never did clean between animals either.

When the match was over I cleaned with a mix of 1/3 Murphys Oil Soap and 2/3 distilled water. Wet patch, dry patch until they came out clean. Then a patch soaked with Breakfree down the bore and wipe off the rest of the rifle with Breakfree.  Six to eight patches would usually take care of it.

I would run a dry patch down the bore the next day to check it. Never found anything bad going on. I would run another Breakfree soaked patch down the bore and be ready for next month.

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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:06pm
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Until this year I have always used Ballistol and water.  I started at 30% Ballistol - 70% water an ended up using 10% Ballistol - 90 % water for both paper patching and grease grooved black powder shooting.

This year I've decided to give the NAPA oil a try.  They both work the same as far as I can see.

I have had some Ballistol go bad though, and I dislike the smell.   The only downside I see with the NAPA oil is that it doesn't mix as well with water as Ballistol does.  I'm using 10% NAPA with 90% water now.  The mixture will start to separate a little after sitting for a few days.

My motivation for trying the NAPA oil was simply from talking to the guys who were scoring higher than me.  NAPA oil is used a lot more often than Ballistol in the matches I've been to.  Still I think there is no practical difference.

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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 8:23pm
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When I first started wiping (7yr ago) tried a Ballistol solution. After a few weeks I noticed I was getting some surface rust in the action my rifle. Switched to a 7-1 mix of water-soluble cutting oil and the rust stopped. Been happy with it ever since. 

Don't think one can state absolutely that one patch followed by a dry patch is the method that works, as conditions change. I run my patches as wet as anyone I know. In our normal RH conditions (above 30%) the one wet patch and no dry patch works well. However, when shooting at Raton last month I ran a patch at the end of a 5-animal string and a 2nd patch when we were called back to the line for next 5-animal string, which seemed to work well. For mid-range or long-range target shooting I will run two or three patches (or more), as needed, depending on conditions and how hot the barrel becomes. You have to be flexible and use what works in the conditions you are shooting in. Just like reading the wind/mirage, need to read your barrel condition and wipe accordingly.
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2016 at 10:06am
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I agree, it definitely varies with conditions.  When I shot the Wyoming state midrange match this year I used 3 wet Arsenal patches per shot.  If I'd used two I'd have likely fouled out like a few others complained about.   

I never run a dry patch after the wet ones, just a chamber mop.  I've found that in the hot and dry places that this is usually a recipe for leading the bore.  Unless shooting with paper patches of course.

It also depends on the rifle you are shooting.  My .32-40's when shot at a covered range will work with one to two patches.  With my .45-90 there is a lot of heat in the barrel so the patches need to be wetter, and I need more of them.

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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2016 at 2:21am
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I’ve had very good results bore wiping with a mixture of one part Ballistol to six parts water (1:6).  I use one moderately wet arsenal patch followed by a dry flannel patch.  I have tried leaving the bore wet, wiping out the chamber with a swab, but that routine didn’t work as well for me as the wet patch followed by a dry patch.  It’s perhaps significant that all my testing was done with grease-groove bullets, with .45/70 and .45/110 rifles.

I use the same mixture as a black powder bore cleaning solvent.  Based largely on readings of published test results comparing various rust preventive products, I’ve never really trusted Ballistol as a long-term rust preventive.

I’ve been using Ballistol for several years now, and I never had any “go bad” yet.  I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it has never happened to me.  What happens?  Does it turn rancid?
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 4th, 2016 at 9:03am
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I use Napa oil/water at 5-10% oil for wiping solution when I paper patch and have no Bore Pigs of the right size.  With Bore Pigs I use straight water.  The NAPA emulsion sits in an old brown plastic Hydrogen Peroxide bottle for months in my hot garage and never has changed in smell or consistency.

I use Ballistol/water at the same ratio for either cleaning at the end of a session or wiping if I've forgotten the cutting oil emulsion.  Like Gunlaker, I haven't found any significant difference between the two for wiping between shots.  It's obviously the water that does the real work there.

Cleaning is another story.  I use the Ballistol/water mix, inside and outside, until the patches are no longer black or gray and follow with a wipedown and bore patch of pure Ballistol.  The gun is then good for months in the safe.  Ballistol, used this way is especially good for my .32 caliber muzzleloader, which always has the potential to trap moisture in its narrow closed barrel.  I used to clean with soapy water, dry, oil with RIG, and then have to check it in two days to make sure no rust was forming.  I would frequently see the beginnings of an orange/brown deposit on the patches and would have to wipe and re-oil.  With Ballistol, the problem went away.

It does smell pretty funky, although it can be gotten used to and then evokes memories of previous shooting sessions in the manner of Hoppe's #9. Since the shooting sessions thus evoked are smelly Black Powder shooting sessions rather than aromatic smokeless powder sessions, the difference from Hoppes #9 is more characteristic and memorable.

The manufacturer might consider putting Wintergreen in the formula, like Bore Butter has, to cover the odor.  Or, perhaps, a variety of scents, for every customer's preference. Then it would be like toothpaste or soap; you'd never know what formula you wanted.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 4th, 2016 at 12:42pm
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"The manufacturer might consider putting Wintergreen in the formula, like Bore Butter has, to cover the odor.  Or, perhaps, a variety of scents, for every customer's preference. Then it would be like toothpaste or soap; you'd never know what formula you wanted.  Cheesy"

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Hmmm... Wintergreen?  Perhaps another option for my spit can then:-)

I did buy some.  Have not used it yet.   Appreciate the opinions and methods/mix/cleaning regiment.   All will come in handy when I do.
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 4th, 2016 at 1:52pm
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I use NAPA oil at about 15%, 1 damp patch on a nylon brush pushed through the bore at a leisurely pace followed by a bore swab of the chamber.
  
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