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Reply #15 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 3:28pm
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CF the real answer to your question is you just need to take the time to go out and prove it to yourself to see if it actually does and its a daunting task to say the least. In your case it would probably not be worth the time and effort spent being a casual shooter. In my case being a cast bullet benchrest competitor trying to get everything out my rifle that is has to offer it indeed is worth it for me to do so. My comeptitve rifles are not at all real picky and most aren't but they all do have their own individual desires that will take them from simply being competitive to becoming extremely compeitive and the differance between the two is not small the gap is actually quite substantial. 

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Reply #16 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 3:49pm
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John,
Yes. To each his own, even to tying shoe laces.
As said, "for my own use" I prefer to use alloy term 
xx+y    or estimated or actual percentages sometimes.
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Reply #17 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 3:55pm
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Derrickman your friend probably does indeed have the best as well as the easiest approach. When you have found a hardness that works take a bullet out of that batch of bullets cast that weighs the same as others within a few tenths and set it safely aside. It is then used as the hardness test example by weight for all future alloy batches being made and probably the most accurate approach and the one I use. If the bullets gain weight there is lack of tin and if lighter there is to much tin. But you do also have to have the casting temp. close to always being the same for best results.

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Reply #19 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 6:08pm
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I have never worried about testing hardness.  I use roof flashing or scrap x-ray room lining lead.  It is pure lead for practical  purposes.  I buy pure tin from Nonferrous Metals in Seattle.  I weigh the lead on a digital scale, divide  by 20,  convert to grains and weigh the tin to +/- a grain.   My alloy is 20:1 with 21 total parts.  30:1 with 3 total, ect. 

A freind with an LBT tester told me it was the most accurate he found, but still had variations in the same  batch of alloy that indicated to him testing hardness is a waste of time for a known alloy.
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 6:17pm
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I don't test bullets but have a Wilson hardness tester. There are several on eBay. You need to have the standards to calibrate.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 6:26pm
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Thank you Schuetzenmiester. "Testing hardness is a waste of time" sums it up perfectly!
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 6:37pm
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Yes it does indeed but only if one knows actually what he has? If I do not make my own from 99.9% certified pure lead and tin or buy it from a trusted manufacture its only good for fishing weights in my personal opionion and I simply won't use it.

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Reply #23 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 6:58pm
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Not that it really matters but I beleave 20 parts lead and 1 one part tin equates closer to being 4.76% tin and 95.2% lead and not actually 95-5 and if one reads the fine print from the manufactures it also clearly states the hardness as being approx.10 as Kieith's sites pointed out but I don't think it really actually matters.

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Reply #24 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 7:15pm
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There's a trick with pencils. Seems as good as anything.
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 7:15pm
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  Would you show us the math for that ?
  

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Reply #26 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 7:27pm
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I don't really see the need to Jeff its not like its a life and death issue its only bullet alloy where close is really is close enough and at this point I really do not care and wish I had not spoken as it has not been a very rewarding or worth while experiance to do lately on this site and extremely dependent on who you are. 95.2 is a tad under and 95.3 a tad over.

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Reply #27 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 8:02pm
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After the zinc contamination episode, if I don't know what it is, I don't melt it.   You can test for zinc with Chlorox.  Zinc oxide will bubble out of a chlorine water solution.
  

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Reply #28 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 8:50pm
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SDave not trying to be argumentive but I have watched several re-refining process's s on the boob tube and if the end result is 99.9% pure lead would it not then be so? It is an outside regulatory agency that does the  actually purity testing and re-certification and not the re-claimer?

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Reply #29 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 9:11pm
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I have never had an issue with the lead I got from a local lead shop.  Probably won't have trouble now because I probably won't live long enough to run out. Lead flashing  is going away.  Major corporations in the Sea-Tac area banned it from their project many years ago. The lead shop guy retired just in time before the EPA banned it everywhere.
  

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