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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	200 Yard Record? Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Hello, I am just trying to confirm the 200 yard 10 shot record. Based upon my research it is currently held by Dale Reynolds and measures .655 center to center. Is this correct? What year was this set, 2008? Thank You, Scott

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7255 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #1 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	For the clubs, around the USA, that are allowed to compete for 10 shot group records, I believe that there are two, 10 shot group records, depending what time of year you shoot. Sounds strange, I know. The Spring record is 1.435 and the fall record is 1,367 but, I guess I hold the unoffical Fall record of 1.288, shot at a ASSRA Match. Unoffical because I'm not a ASSRA member. There are smaller 10 shot groups but, they can only be shot at EG. Frank

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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1240 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #2 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	I don't believe the Record Scores listed on the ASSRA website are current. Something do with a change in servers not allowing 40_Rod to make any changes on the page. Maybe he'll see this and verify if I'm right or not. Nice group Frank! JerryH

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #3 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Don't forget C.W. Rowland's 200 yd. 10 shot record of .722" for black powder, and cast bullets! Fired May 16, 1901!

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #4 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 7:33pm: Don't forget C.W. Rowland's 200 yd. 10 shot record of .722" for black powder, and cast bullets! Fired May 16, 1901! Yes, CW's was my initial point of reference. I've also found discussion on Bud Welch's group and then the one fired by Dale Reynolds. I understand the above were not fired in a match and Bud's has been disqualified. I am by no means discounting the great groups shot is a match, but I'm trying to confirm if Dale's group is the "world" record. Thanks Guys, Scott

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #5 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	That is some really great shooting John! I'm currently writing a piece discussing single shot rifles, breech seating and cast bullets. In this work I'm trying to accurately report accuracy potential. I address CW's group, but would like to report the smallest group that would be fair to compare to CW's. Thanks for all of the help guys Scott

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7255 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #6 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	There are TWO sets of records. ASSRA MATCH RECORDS Can be shot at any ASSRA affiliated club, through out the USA if, it's it's the right time of the year for that match. ASSRA NATIONAL MATCH RECORDS Can ONLY be shot at Beeson Range in EG BUT, if shot there, they ALSO apply to the ASSRA MATCH RECORDS. But, ASSRA NATIONAL MATCH RECORDS can not be set at any other range but, Beeson Range. It's got to be the right time of the year and at the right range, to set some records. Anyone still confused? Frank

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #7 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	Thanks for all the help on this guys. Jan emailed emailed his target and info.....man that's smokin!

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #8 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	These ASSRA records have always been a bit confusing at first glance. Etna Green and then the rest of us plus the names when there is no description with them. Just looking at the link John posted. It looks like I shot a few that will never be listed at TRR and Springfield. The schuetzenmiesters at the time did not submit them and neither of us were really thinking about records anyway. Several 250s in 200 yd cf. I won the 5 shot group match one year in Springfield. They alternated back and forth between 5 and 10 shots in spring and fall matches. I got confused. Not sure mine was a record but probably the first 10 shot target to win a 5 shot group match One year at TRR I shot one of my best 100 yd 22 offhand targets, 231 with centers. Steve Garbe was there and beat me by one center The point being, all the new shooters should familiarize themselves with the matches and records program. Point out any target you think might be a record to the schuetzenmiester. I know am usually too busy on match day to be worring about it.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #9 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	bear in mind that ASSRA records have to be shot in open competition in an ASSRA sanctioned match on ASSRA targets. then there is the matter of group-size-based matches, and score-based matches. I think it is possible that one could shoot the smallest physical group in ASSSRA history, but on say, a Schoyen target, and while it might be a tiny 250---or even a much lower score based on placement---I don't think it would be recognized as an official "group-size record" you might get an atta-boy and a write-up in the Journal----but not a record. If I'm incorrect, Jeff, please straighten me out. Then there is the possibility of the ISSA and WSU records having different criteria. so determining a Worlds-Smallest Group-----assuming a single shot rifle with cast lead bullets at 200 yards yadda-yadda-yadda may be problematical. Hey, what about the Worlds Smallest--yadda-yadda-yadda OFFHAND group? oops is that center or edge

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #10 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 1:17am	Print Post
	Aren't all offhand matchrs leaded edge? Twice I had groups going too close to the edge of the 25 ring that should have beat Rowland back in the 90s but I was shooting score so I scooted over a fuzz . One was pictured in the Journal. 8 shots in the lower left 1/4 of the 25 ring and 2 shots at 1 o'clock when I chickened out

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KAF Ex Member	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #11 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 7:40am	Print Post
	If memory serves, Dale shot the .655 10 shot group on a score target. It is a un-official record. The group was at the bottom of the 25 ring and did not score a 250. He wanted to go for the un-official record so he went for it and got it.


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #12 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am	Print Post
	Thanks guys lots of good info! Hitting the road to Raton Gab at y'all soon. Scott

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #13 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Not to put down any good shooter's record (ASSRA match or not) But was Jan's group with black powder, as CW Rowland's was? As far as I know, nobody has broken Rowland's record for a black powder group?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7255 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 200 Yard Record? Reply #14 - Jul 30^th, 2016 at 11:47am	Print Post
	Here is a picture of Rowland's group. Note that it says that he used a machine rest. I believe that he took at least 2 days to shoot it and as I remember he used either smokeless or a duplex load. Frank

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