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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #15 - Aug 2nd, 2016 at 12:27pm
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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #16 - Aug 2nd, 2016 at 12:53pm
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Jerry,
The "traditional" NRA formula used Alox 2138F  50/50 with
Beeswax. 
Just curious:
How is the Alox 350 you are using vary from 2138F?
Different viscosity?
or what
Also, is the Alox 2138F still available, I wonder?
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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #17 - Aug 2nd, 2016 at 5:37pm
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Javelina Lube & Javelina Schuetzen Lube were both made with Alox 2138F, when it was still available. I think it was about 10 years ago that Alox 2138F was no longer offered by the manufacturer.

Alox 350 is the replacement for Alox 2138F. According to the manufacturer the only difference is the lack of a small amount of crystalline wax in the Alox 350. 

I have found no reason to believe the Alox 350 formula is inferior in any way. It's what I use.

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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #18 - Aug 3rd, 2016 at 1:07pm
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Thanks , Jerry. 
Appreciate the come back
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2016 at 3:37pm
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According to the manufacturer the only difference is the lack of a small amount of crystalline wax in the Alox 350. 

Alox 2138f can be duplicated.   97% Alox 350 mixed with 3% Petrolite C-700 microcrystalline wax = Alox 2138F.    Alox 350 is still made, and Petrolite C-700 is made by Baker Hughes Corp.   It is not mixed by simply adding 3% C-700 to 97% Alox.   First mix 7% Alox with the 3% C-700, ie mix 10% of the total as a 70/30 mix.    Then mix that with the other 90% Alox.

There is some difference  of opinion about the exact mix.    One formula recommends 5% C-700.    It is not critical. 
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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2016 at 4:43pm
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John: Guess Plan #2 is the alternative:
* I have 40 fl oz of Alox 350
* I used my supply of unknown melting point of microcrystalline wax as a substitute of beeswax in a batch of lube ... so the question is:
What is the melting point of Petrolite C-700, that I can't find for sale)? 
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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #21 - Aug 3rd, 2016 at 5:20pm
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JB, Try this for m.p.:

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Re: Javelina Schuetzen Lube
Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2016 at 5:39pm
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True, Alox 2138F can be duplicated, but I can see no reason to go through the trouble. Alox 350 was being used in place of Alox 2138F before I started making Javelina Schuezen Lube. The previous owner of Javelina Products was the one who was forced into switching to Alox 350.

True, Alox 350 is still being produced, but the company will no longer sell a 55 gallon drum direct to me. This is per a conversation I had with Lubrizol 2 or 3 years ago. Anyone that has any for sale is getting theirs through a distributor. 

Be aware that Liquid Alox may or may not contain Alox 350. No matter what type of Alox was used to manufacture it, it has been thinned and no longer is the same as "solid" Alox 350.

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